Broke down in the secret passage

[rich2202]

Yes, e-stop is not a good idea to do on a regular basis. An e-stop practically invites a reinspection by an RI.

However, if you are one match away from winning Einstein, and ...

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by rich2202

Yes, e-stop is not a good idea to do on a regular basis. An e-stop practically invites a reinspection by an RI.

However, if you are one match away from winning Einstein, and ...

I'm going to suggest that at that point if there's not smoke belching out of the robot you're going to have some explaining to do and the best you could hope for is a field fault being declared and a replay of the match.

If the explanations come up short, well it's really hard to win with your score reduced to zero by a DQ.

[JesseK]

I hope to be a ref at a couple of events this season, and given my current understanding of the rules this is how I'd call it.

• I agree with Eric, in that e-stop inside the secret passage is conceding that there is no way the team will attempt to remove the robot after the e-stop.
• If comms were lost with the robot due to the field or another undetermined reason, most likely the match would possibly be replayed, (subject to the Q&A/etc)
• If magic smoke appeared before the e-stop, a drive train chain was obviously off of its sprocket (e.g.), or FTA let me know of packet dump, ping time or brown-out conditions, the match would not be replayed and any FOULS, TECH FOULS or YELLOW CARDs would stand.
• A blue robot in the red secret passage only gets 1 Tech Foul if the red robot keeps backing up and continuously bumping the blue robot, but if and only if the blue robot is e-stopped
• If the blue robot is e-stopped, a red robot hits the blue robot in the red secret passage, gets a ball, performs a cycle, then comes back for a 2nd ball and hits the blue robot again. The blue robot has now incurred two [G21] Tech Fouls. In other words, I see it as 1 tech foul per attempt to get a ball.
• It is probable in this situation that all three red robots will capitalize and net out MANY tech fouls for the blue alliance, more than it is worth in blue preventing match flow. In reality the red robots would need to work together to move the blue robot in order to get to their balls
• If blue completely clogs the opening such that no more balls may fit through the HP station openings then red is relieved of the [G34] violations due to [G11]
• Clogging up the openings risks [G11] violations (yellow card) due to attempting to cause [G34] penalties if the blue alliance continues to score boulders while the blue robot is e-stopped in the red secret passage.
• [G25] doesn't apply to this situation. The robot that e-stopped is in contact with the carpet in the SECRET PASSAGE and therefore [G25.E] doesn't apply.

[pandamonium]

This same issue seems to happen if a robot is disabled in their own courtyard during the last 20 seconds. Touching them is easier than scoring points. I think that further rules clarification will show that this is considered unGP but we will see...

[MrJohnston]

From Q&A:

A. We will not rule definitively on hypothetical scenarios in this forum as many factors may play into rulings in individual situations. Generally a Team will not be called for G11 (attempting to draw a foul) if they are, in the judgement of the Referee, attempting to play the game, however futilely. There is no exemption from penalties for ROBOTS which have become immobile or DISABLED.

It sounds to me like, should this happen, a robot should try to continuously move the "dead" robot from the secret passage....

[Rhelik]

I can tell you a few years back during Ultimate Ascent an alliance member's robot went dead after getting hit and just coasted into the opponents protected box. Then for the rest of the game as everyone came in for Frisbees they would tap that robot while in motion and gain some free foul points since he was "in the way".

Those are the rules and the risks.

-Bernie

[BigBen]

I think people are forgetting that you can enter a boulder in the brattice (upper opening) as well. I find it hard to believe all of the boulders would end up on the field without some in a playable location.

So in my opinion, disabling the robot in the secret passage would only result in a lot of fouls against your team and while slowing the other team down would still result in your loss.

[NinjaMunkeeNao]

Interesting question. But I'm with BigBen; disabling the Robot would most certainly not be a good idea, and wouldn't end well at all.