How many balls will you shoot during autonomous?

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

I think an alliance surpassing a 30 point auto at any district in our region is literally not going to have a chance in hell. When I meant commendable, I meant top 1% of teams.

Such a pessimist

[Paul Copioli]

The 3 Boulder Auton is the Lochness Monster of 2016. Many people will claim it, but no one will actually achieve it.

Now, I have been wrong before....

[Turing'sEgo]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

The 3 Boulder Auton is the Lochness Monster of 2016. Many people will claim it, but no one will actually achieve it.

Now, I have been wrong before....

I could forsee this happening: Robot A goes under the low bar and scores in the high goal. Robot B, discharges it's bot gently on the floor and moves away. Robot A goes back, picks it up, scores it. Robot C is the spy bot and also gently puts its ball on the ground in a convenient place. Robot A picks that ball up (as it's right next to it), and score it too.

Even that would be a time crunch.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Turing'sEgo

I could forsee this happening: Robot A goes under the low bar and scores in the high goal. Robot B, discharges it's bot gently on the floor and moves away. Robot A goes back, picks it up, scores it. Robot C is the spy bot and also gently puts its ball on the ground in a convenient place. Robot A picks that ball up (as it's right next to it), and score it too.

Even that would be a time crunch.

We managed that kind of autonomous, just, with the Wired Cats (2415) in 2012. They had a good shooter and 270 degree intake. All that 57 and 3997 had to do was feed them balls from the back and side at the right times to avoid controlling >3. And in our case, drive forward and tip the bridge to steal those balls. We JUST managed to get this programmed and tested over lunch. And 15 seconds was just about enough time to get it done. Grainy video evidence here. So a successful 3 robot rube-goldberg auton in which all of the robots started perfectly positioned and none of the robots moved before the ball hand-off. And yes, it was 6 shots instead of 3, which would be slightly more time consuming. But still. 3 robots perfectly positioned, not moving.

But your thing? Yeah, I can see whipping that autonomous ballet out over lunch. I can't wait for the grainy video evidence for that one.

[Poseidon5817]

Originally Posted by Turing'sEgo

I could forsee this happening: Robot A goes under the low bar and scores in the high goal. Robot B, discharges it's bot gently on the floor and moves away. Robot A goes back, picks it up, scores it. Robot C is the spy bot and also gently puts its ball on the ground in a convenient place. Robot A picks that ball up (as it's right next to it), and score it too.

Even that would be a time crunch.

I don't think that three-ball strategy would be possible for almost all robots, as it would require multiple precise turns to intake the different balls and score (unless you have a two-sided intake ), which would be nearly impossible without going under the low bar, and even then it would be difficult. I almost think that two midline balls would be easier to intake and score for most teams than that. The sheer amount of variability and the amount of work to program that routine would not be worth the extra 10 points compared to a two-ball. In some matches, your alliance partners may even be able to score one ball, easily making up the difference.

[alexpell00]

this is a little off topic, but wouldn't you get the same number of point by crossing and extra defense as scoring a second ball?

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by alexpell00

this is a little off topic, but wouldn't you get the same number of point by crossing and extra defense as scoring a second ball?

You can only get points for crossing a single defense in auto. Any additional defenses that you cross grant no points and does not it reduce it's strength.

[Dezion]

Personally, I believe that scoring two balls in autonomous will be unlikely for the majority of the competition season. It will more than likely not occur for the first few weeks and may become rare later.

One, you would somehow have to have a robot to retrieve the ball from the Midline without incurring a G13 infraction. This is possible to do, however extremely unlikely. After you score the first boulder, you will have to traverse a defense for the second time, which increases your chances of not lining up for the ball properly. (This will depend on your sensors for getting the ball.)

Two, consider other robots in autonomous. Your robot would have to avoid colliding with other robots, which would ruin both your autos. How do you plan on preventing his? (At least in Quals, I see preventing it very difficult; in Elims it could be possible do to better strategy and general better robots.)

Third, for a team considering picking up a boulder that an alliance member dropped, how do you plan on coordinating this? The alliance partner would have drop it roughly in the same spot, and it's possible that the boulder will roll away from the intended area. As well, it's possible that they may collide. (Possible in Elims, however I see it as very unlikely.)

tl;dr Shooting two (or even more) boulders will be very unlikely, and difficult, however possible and the best teams will be able to surpass the challenge.

[washedout]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

The 3 Boulder Auton is the Lochness Monster of 2016. Many people will claim it, but no one will actually achieve it.

Now, I have been wrong before....

I agree Paul. And it saves me from having to print any stickers this season.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by washedout

I agree Paul. And it saves me from having to print any stickers this season.

If anybody has a two-boulder autonomous that shoots its second boulder with more than a couple of seconds left, they are almost certain to take a serious look at doing three.... I'm not convinced anybody will pull it off, but every year I have thought that there would be something that "nobody" would be able to do - and I have been wrong every year.... If I had to guess, I would say that about five teams will make a legitimate attempt at pulling it off. One will succeed - but not be able to do it consistently.