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Re: Terrifying Karthik

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Re: Terrifying Karthik

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I like this one. Karthik is terrified because there wont be ENOUGH limbo bots.
Yeah lol. And the numbers are also a little off because of multiple people on teams voting, teams not voting, etc.
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

I'm just thoroughly amazed by how one post by one mentor (albeit one of the most respectable in all of FIRST) has set off SIX PAGES of posts in just one day...
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

I think what would terrify Karthik more than anything is having an important match to secure a top seed and being stuck with an undisciplined freelancing team that does not employ any strategy whatsoever. They incur a boatload of penalties every match they have played previously and could care less about the repercussions of their actions.
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I think what would terrify Karthik more than anything is having an important match to secure a top seed and being stuck with an undisciplined freelancing team that does not employ any strategy whatsoever. They incur a boatload of penalties every match they have played previously and could care less about the repercussions of their actions.

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Re: Terrifying Karthik

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I think what would terrify Karthik more than anything is having an important match to secure a top seed and being stuck with an undisciplined freelancing team that does not employ any strategy whatsoever. They incur a boatload of penalties every match they have played previously and could care less about the repercussions of their actions.
I think that is always a concern. What's different about this year is the enhanced destructive potential for a team that doesn't act with a sense of informed self interest, especially given the number of teams who plan to negotiate the low bar.
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

Karthik is a statistics/numbers junkie.

He was just terrified knowing how much research and spreadsheets he will need to create to cross reference the results of the poll against the number of teams that actually pull it off and all of the computations and permutations therein.
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

Terrified that the field is going to be chaos with a bunch of short robots trying to navigate blind behind all those defenses?
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Terrified that the field is going to be chaos with a bunch of short robots trying to navigate blind behind all those defenses?
I was thinking of adding flags on whip antenna's to solve that problem...
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

I have a theory of why Karthik is terrified, and I think other people in this thread have brought it up as well. I went back and tried to find someone to quote, but alas, I got lazy.

It's possible that a member of a good team could be terrified at the thought of so many robots having the same match strategy, especially in autonomous. It is hard to convince teams to try other strategies during matches, and sometimes it rubs teams the wrong way... "We spent the whole season planning our strategy around this!"

Also it might be hard to find 3rd robots for 1114's alliance, if most teams available for the 16th pick of the draft have similar strategies. It may be difficult to work the third robot into the alliance. You could have them play defense and block shots, but not if they're short. A bit of cheesecake may be in order this year.

Scoring 3 boulders in autonomous this year will give you a huge advantage over your opponent. Figuring out how to form an alliance that can actually do this sounds challenging and possibly terrifying.

Okay, last reason we should be terrified: 254 apparently will be tall. I'm scared already. What if they have come up with a 469-esque robot that breaks the game?

EDIT: It's not just the Cheesy Poofs. Some other extremely good teams have decided to avoid the low bar. Perhaps they have won the meta-game this year? I can't wait to watch the competitions and find out what all this means.
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Okay, last reason we should be terrified: 254 apparently will be tall. I'm scared already. What if they have come up with a 469-esque robot that breaks the game?
Source?



Karthik, I hope you're taking the posts in this thread like the "Andy Baker" thread. We all know you're fearless on the outside
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The poll results tell you which forum members responded yes or no.
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The poll results tell you which forum members responded yes or no.
Different poll results on other threads also show 254 being screwed thanks to the Rock Wall change. I wouldn't quite factor a poll as a definite source. That being said, I think ignoring the low bar is a legitimate strategy/design. We probably would have done it too had we not had solutions to our strategy that allow us to remain short.
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So Joe you mentioned that the person's entire contribution to CD is also being judged. What about newcomers like me? I have attempted to contribute as much as possible but who knows. Will experience also be a factor? Hope so im looking forward to sharing 12 cans of Mtn. Dew with the team
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Re: Terrifying Karthik

To all,
Time is almost up. Remember the deal we shook upon:
Best contributor to the thread as judged by me of midnight (EST implied) tonight gets the Mt. Dew.
"Best contributor" doesn't necessarily mean the person who best gets into the mind of Karthik. Contribute to the thread and I will hear you out.

Speaking of which, I will share my advice for success in the game Apples to Apples: Know your judge. By which I mean to say you are probably not going to get a lot of credit by complaining about how unfair life is as I have been know to make light of the Fairness Cult in many circles of FIRST.

Finally, I've been silent on this thread and in fact, after the first few messages, stopped reading. Not because I was uninterested but because I wanted to be as fair of a judge as I could and so I decided to wait and read it all in one go at midnight.

Even MORE finally, Karthik sent me a PM he's monitoring the thread and that some of the discussion may inform his famously overcrowded seminar at the FIRST Champs.

So... ...put your thoughts out there. People are listening.

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