[YMTC]: Defending the Defenses

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by New Lightning

But as I understand the clarification in the blue box the definition is a action to prevent movement, not inhibit movement. And as you said Blueabot didn't intended to be landed on, so it follows that they didn't intend to prevent the movement of Redabot only inconvenience it, which is not a foul.

The rules for pinning do not specify that intent is a consideration with regards to pinning.

I see it as similar to all of the rules/Q&A rulings surrounding situations where a robot breaks down in the secret passage, or in the courtyard (especially near the batter) during the last 30 seconds.

edit - also, the blue box implies inhibiting movement - a robot that is 'pinned' on the batter can probably wiggle enough to be seen moving, yet is still strictly confined to a small area due to the as-clarified pin.

[New Lightning]

Okay I understand now. Still not sure I agree but I understand.

[EricH]

If it was the first time... I would not call G43. G11 is also out (more on that later). G24 is another one that's "out"--you'd have to argue that it WAS a strategy, the first time.


But that's the first time. Naturally, I would expect a discussion with both teams about what happened, and possibly some warnings given out about being careful. The first time.

AFTER the first time, you're making me judge intent. If somebody is being deliberate, then penalties would need to be called, most likely G24 (everybody knows there's a risk of damage here) with a side of G11. Exactly what would depend a lot on what the spies and drivers and robots were doing.

[BoilerMentor]

I put in Q862 last night in regard to this issue.

My concern is that if enforced in the way described we've created an impassible defense strategy, because the risk of ending up on top of another robot and being yellow carded for it is too high. Yes, they will be penalized under G43 at one foul per 5 seconds, but a situation could exist where you trade 20 points in penalties for 2 ranking points.

If the defense action happens with the defending robot entirely within the outerworks and the defense being defended is the last defense that offensive alliance needs to cross for a breach and the offensive robot is prevented from reaching the batter to complete a capture. G28 doesn't apply if the defending robot is entirely within the outerworks and not in contact with the carpet of their courtyard.