Team Update 13 (2016)

[carpedav000]

Does G22 mean you can pin somebody for fifteen seconds or did I misread it?

[Steve Kaneb]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

Does G22 mean you can pin somebody for fifteen seconds or did I misread it?

This is probably just giving an example for the "extended and egregious" flag in the Violation field, which awards a red card.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

Does G22 mean you can pin somebody for fifteen seconds or did I misread it?

What Steve said. 5 seconds is still a pin, AND that includes the time it takes you to move at least 6' away (you are still considered pinning the robot if you are within 6' of it).

What it does clarify: If you pin for 15 seconds, you are getting a red card and disqualified from the match (or DQ the entire alliance during Eliminations). Team's won't be able to complain about the Red Card (was it really egregious) if they pinned a robot for 15 seconds.

[Kevin Kolodziej]

When I used to be a ref, I was always instructed to specifically go FIND AND TALK TO THE TEAM that I called a foul on, no matter how insignificant or obvious the penalty was. We want teams to play at their absolute best and if a team has no idea they are doing something wrong, I think they may have some room to improve.

Also, if there is no recording of the fouls, does this mean there will be no announcing of the fouls to the audience?

[Andrew Schreiber]

I won't be mad about this if it means defense crossings are called reliably and consistently. I still have flashbacks to '14 and assists just being flat out missed/made up.

[Mike Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Kevin Kolodziej

Also, if there is no recording of the fouls, does this mean there will be no announcing of the fouls to the audience?

This is my bigger concern. Fouls will be very confusing to the audience - especially if they decide a match or even an event and it isn't announced. I can't see that happening where someone calls a foul and says 'oh I forgot what I called' but this allows it.

Also just a general comment; Refs are volunteers - lay off them. No one is out to get you.

[Brandon Holley]

I share concerns with the group of you as far as not being able to inform teams what actually happened when a foul was called. There will definitely be times that this decides a match and will be very annoying for the parties involved.

All that being said, I do think the emphasis on calling things right and keeping focus on the game at all times will create a positive benefit. Hopefully there are no missed defensive crossings, boulders are being tracked properly, etc.

I'm very cautiously optimistic this will create some improvement as far as calling the game, as its played, properly. Unfortunately, being called with a foul and not being able to figure out what you did wrong will be very frustrating to teams.


-Brando

[Weinberger]

The team/robot's coach will need to be more aware this season, behind the glass: such that it is noticed when a referee is waving their red/blue flag at the robot incurring the foul/tech foul and pointing at your robot.
That means the foul is on you. (Coach will have to recognize this at the moment it happens however). Points awarded to the other side. I'm sure, that if the student team member approaches the referee question box (if the penalty/rule # is not immediately recognized) at the end of the match at least some helpful information can/will be passed to the team incurring the penalty.