Palmetto Regional Week 0.5

[KrazyCarl92]

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald

Is there video of the eliminations posted anywhere? Apparently http://www.htcinc.net/portal/streams/robotics/ was only for watching in real time

I was able to watch video from Ustream up until a few minutes ago. Had been watching the Friday and Saturday Qualification matches after the fact, but they are all removed now it appears .

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

I was able to watch video from Ustream up until a few minutes ago. Had been watching the Friday and Saturday Qualification matches after the fact, but they are all removed now it appears .

Unfortunate..glad I watched live day 1 (most) and playoffs

"This Pro Broadcaster has chosen to remove this video from the ustream.tv site."

Wonder why?

[Duncan Macdonald]

20-50 cents per viewer hour is a likely reason.

https://www.ustream.tv/platform/plans/pro-broadcasting

[PayneTrain]

Really hope the RPC or someone else can get a hand of the footage from the sponsor but I doubt it.

[wireties]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

1296's robot started smoking twice during Palmetto eliminations.. so it seems like the smoke was coming from the 775 motors.

The 775s are great (a bot as small and fast as ours is near impossible w/o 775s and VPs everywhere), you just have to monitor them. We missed a failure scenario in software (unintentional/untested stalls in autonomous). It will never happen again!

The volunteer staff and teams at Palmetto were great this weekend. We looooved the facility and made a lot of new friends. Southern hospitality is alive and well at Palmetto! Thanks for a great time!

[maxnz]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

1296's robot started smoking twice during Palmetto eliminations.. so it seems like the smoke was coming from the 775 motors.

We found out that we burned out our 550 on stop build day, we'll have to add a replacement at competition.

[billbo911]

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald

Is there video of the eliminations posted anywhere? Apparently http://www.htcinc.net/portal/streams/robotics/ was only for watching in real time

I was on the road driving to So. Cal when the Elim's were taking place.
Does anyone have a link to the video's of the Elim's. TBA does not have links and it appears Twitch doesn't either.

[D.Allred]

Originally Posted by billbo911

I was on the road driving to So. Cal when the Elim's were taking place.
Does anyone have a link to the video's of the Elim's. TBA does not have links and it appears Twitch doesn't either.

I found the mobile uStream links seem to work. The video isn't parsed.

Quarter finals through finals 1: http://m.ustream.tv/recorded/83822183

Finals 2 and 3: http://m.ustream.tv/recorded/83827538

David

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Launching the boulder while your bumpers are in the outerworks, then failing to complete the cross into the courtyard will result in a technical foul under G40B or G41 (depending on the exact order of activity), without regard to whether the defense is damaged.





As the courtyard is defined as infinitely tall, launching it towards the goals would cause it to pass through the courtyard.

(Usual disclaimer about this being an unofficial ruling)

Edit: Q912 posted.

So you're telling me crossing completely, backing up so your bumpers are over the outer works (to gain protection) and shooting is, in your mind, illegal unless we then proceed to cross back from the courtyard? Neither G40 nor G41 are relevant as a boulder is not moving into the courtyard from the neutral zone (and as far as I can tell there are no rules regarding carrying the ball back).

[mfalk]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this in the thread but the fabric hanging from the low bar kept getting holes punched in it. They kept patching the holes with duct tape but it didn't hold on very well. We got snagged on it a number of times. Finally in the QF matches one of our arms snagged on it and ripped off an intake motor.

I hope they replace the fabric with something that can take the abuse a little better.

[SoccerTaco]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Launching the boulder while your bumpers are in the outerworks, then failing to complete the cross into the courtyard...

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So you're telling me crossing completely, backing up so your bumpers are over the outer works (to gain protection) and shooting is, in your mind, illegal unless we then proceed to cross back from the courtyard?

Hey Andrew, I think Gus was talking about failing to complete a cross, so the "crossing completely" you mention never happened in his scenario. I think it comes down to this:

Start cross, shoot, finish cross = okay.
Start cross, finish cross, backup to shoot = okay.
Start cross, shoot, back up and never finish cross = not okay.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by SoccerTaco

Hey Andrew, I think Gus was talking about failing to complete a cross, so the "crossing completely" you mention never happened in his scenario. I think it comes down to this:

Start cross, shoot, finish cross = okay.
Start cross, finish cross, backup to shoot = okay.
Start cross, shoot, back up and never finish cross = not okay.

^This, I'll have the kids verify in SD

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Q912 posted.

and now answered:

Originally Posted by Q912

• Q. During Teleop, robot RedA procures a boulder in the neutral zone, carries it through a defense, and pauses with its front wheels in the courtyard, but with the rear still in the outer works, where it launches the boulder into a high goal. RedA then completes the crossing (clearing its rear bumpers of the outer works). Is this boulder scored? Are technical fouls given under either G40 or G41? (Suggested by G40 blue box case B.)
• A. Yes, the BOULDER is scored. No, there are no TECH FOULS assigned per G40 or G41, as the ROBOT met the requirements of completing a CROSSING as defined in Section 3.1.3.

So it is not necessary to cross and then back into the outer works to be protected, but it appears you do have to follow-through. This should help, because if you're still on your inward traversal, a robot blocking you on the courtyard side is more clearly interfering with your travelsal (G43). On an outward traversal, it would not be so clear, and perhaps the referees have been informed that this is not a G43 violation. Now to see if it'll get called that way consistently, or if the referees were too overtasked to see these.

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So you're telling me crossing completely, backing up so your bumpers are over the outer works (to gain protection) and shooting is, in your mind, illegal unless we then proceed to cross back from the courtyard? Neither G40 nor G41 are relevant as a boulder is not moving into the courtyard from the neutral zone (and as far as I can tell there are no rules regarding carrying the ball back).

No, simply that:

• Launching before completing the crossing is legal.
• Perhaps backing up into the outer works does not merit much protection from a robot on the courtyard side of you.

What is illegal is incompletely crossing from the neutral zone side, launching, then backing out to the neutral zone without ever completely entering the courtyard on that boulder cycle (G43). Someone had implied that this was unnecessary if the defense were already damaged.

Edit: here it is:

Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb)

I was talking about specifically about scoring a high goal while your bumpers are resting in the outerworks. Finishing the cross doesn't mean anything since you only get points for going one way.

The point is if you are in a CROSS, carrying a boulder, and launch it, it does mean something - if you don't complete the cross, you've committed a technical foul. If you're in a traversal outwards, I agree that it is unnecessary to continue that traversal.

[Rangel]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

The point is if you are in a CROSS, carrying a boulder, and launch it, it does mean something - if you don't complete the cross, you've committed a technical foul. If you're in a traversal outwards, I agree that it is unnecessary to continue that traversal.

I was never referring to that scenario. I was only talking about crossing into the courtyard completely and then backing up to take a shot.

[Keefe2471]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

and now answered:
No, simply that:

• Perhaps backing up into the outer works does not merit much protection from a robot on the courtyard side of you.

It should provide the exact same amount of protection according to the rules. Are you just pointing out that the refs might not see it if you back up into the outer works rather than shoot as you go through? I think this rule is a critical part of the game and everyone involved needs to understand how closely it's going to be enforced.