Scoring/game issues

[Navid Shafa]

Another big issue this week:

Teams clearly crossing defenses 5 or 6 times, before the defense is scored as damaged...

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

Another big issue this week:

Teams clearly crossing defenses 5 or 6 times, before the defense is scored as damaged...

Yup tell me about it cost us 2 RP by end of day 1, I wish there were sensors lots going on its hard on refs but affects ranking we beat alliance #1 2-0 because #8 alliance was loaded with quality bots ..that should not happen if ranking is not skewed by missed RP's which put us about 6 places back from where we should have been ranked.

I get where First is coming from but this explains in part why lower alliances are doing really good this year . They ARE good and using the "extra time not wasted on crossing defenses again and again" instead on elimination alliances scoring. Not very fair to #1 and #2 alliances if stronger top 10ish bots are artificially ranked lower.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Boltman

Yup tell me about it cost us 2 RP by end of day 1, I wish there were sensors lots going on its hard on refs but affects ranking we beat alliance #1 2-0 because #8 alliance was loaded with quality bots ..that should not happen if ranking is not skewed by missed RP's which put us about 6 places back from where we should have been ranked.

I get where First is coming from but this explains in part why lower alliances are doing really good this year . They ARE good and using the "extra time not wasted on crossing defenses again and again" instead on elimination alliances scoring. Not very fair to #1 and #2 alliances if stronger top 10ish bots are artificially ranked lower.

Any team that picks by rank only gets what they deserve.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Any team that picks by rank only gets what they deserve.

True but its the difference in us being Alliance captain or a very strong first pick of another very strong bot. Not sure if it would have changed the outcomes but it is something to consider

[indieFan]

Originally Posted by Boltman

Yup tell me about it cost us 2 RP by end of day 1, I wish there were sensors lots going on its hard on refs but affects ranking we beat alliance #1 2-0 because #8 alliance was loaded with quality bots ..that should not happen if ranking is not skewed by missed RP's which put us about 6 places back from where we should have been ranked.

I get where First is coming from but this explains in part why lower alliances are doing really good this year . They ARE good and using the "extra time not wasted on crossing defenses again and again" instead on elimination alliances scoring. Not very fair to #1 and #2 alliances if stronger top 10ish bots are artificially ranked lower.

You lost 2 RP which sucks. However, you and your alliance partner(s) for that match lost 2 RP for the match which any of you may or may not have contributed to. The good teams are not ranked lower because of scoring issues, but because of the nature of random alliance partners and whether they chose to build a robot that plays for the qualification rounds or the elimination rounds. Many years in Los Angeles, teams ranked quite low would be chosen for alliances because they were built specifically to play the elimination rounds and compliment other team's abilities.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by indieFan

You lost 2 RP which sucks. However, you and your alliance partner(s) for that match lost 2 RP for the match which any of you may or may not have contributed to. The good teams are not ranked lower because of scoring issues, but because of the nature of random alliance partners and whether they chose to build a robot that plays for the qualification rounds or the elimination rounds. Many years in Los Angeles, teams ranked quite low would be chosen for alliances because they were built specifically to play the elimination rounds and compliment other team's abilities.

It was two separate matches breaches were not scored and yes good teams do get ranked lower when RP is a first order sort

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

Another big issue this week:

Teams clearly crossing defenses 5 or 6 times, before the defense is scored as damaged...

I noticed that as well. Seems like the refs are very occupied to notice.