Scream For Sally

[Cothron Theiss]

I don't want to sound cold hearted or sound like I only care about taking home a banner, but the audience has a reason to choose the Drawbridge. If my robot isn't playing in the match, I want the field to be as difficult and obstructed as possible. If I can do anything that might prevent an alliance from getting a Breach or a Capture during Quals, that might really benefit my team.
Soooooooo... No. Sorry, I don't think I'll Scream for Sally.

[Hitchhiker 42]

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss

I don't want to sound cold hearted or sound like I only care about taking home a banner, but the audience has a reason to choose the Drawbridge. If my robot isn't playing in the match, I want the field to be as difficult and obstructed as possible. If I can do anything that might prevent an alliance from getting a Breach or a Capture during Quals, that might really benefit my team.
Soooooooo... No. Sorry, I don't think I'll Scream for Sally.

Besides, it makes it that much more interesting for the audience to watch.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42

Besides, it makes it that much more interesting for the audience to watch.

The Drawbridge does cause some comedic mishaps, doesn't it? Especially the Triple Tortuga in Palmetto.

[Bennett548]

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss

If my robot isn't playing in the match, I want the field to be as difficult and obstructed as possible.

Audience selected defenses stay there for a whole round of matches. So your team will see that defense in your next match.

[Edxu]

I don't think it's fair to say that the drawbridge "ruins gameplay". It's part of the game as a challenge for teams to overcome. If all teams agree to not pick drawbridge, it's a stone's skip away from people always picking rough terrain/moat/portcullis/sally port every match, and suddenly a huge number of teams who designed their robots to cross the more difficult defenses are deemed worthless, despite being more versatile.

An important part of the game is finding out how best to set up the outer works in order to defend their towers. If I see that none of the opposing alliance robots are able to cross the drawbridge, you can bet that I'll request the Drawbridge. I would even argue that colluding with the opposing alliance or agreeing to collude to make defenses easier would be violations of T7 and T8 in and of themselves.

This isn't Recycle Rush. You are actually obligated to try and win every single match that you play in with the return of the W-L system, and colluding with the opposing alliance runs counter to that idea. If the Drawbridge or the Ramparts are the hardest for the opposing alliance, by all means pick that defense.

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by Edxu

This isn't Recycle Rush. You are actually obligated to try and win every single match that you play in with the return of the W-L system, and colluding with the opposing alliance runs counter to that idea. If the Drawbridge or the Ramparts are the hardest for the opposing alliance, by all means pick that defense.

You might feel obligated to try to win every single qual match that you play, but I don't. I have a higher priority for qual matches that may or may not involve trying to win.

[EricH]

Here's a question for you: How about the ref who has to score your Sally Port crossing?

WITHOUT seeing your robot (potentially)?



Just a thought. I can understand why teams want the sally port, but I think the drawbridge is a better defense (in more than one way). Just my opinion.

[cj3958]

I think the point here is mainly that in general, no one can do the drawbridge on their own. Because of this, the only reason you would vote for the drawbridge is to prevent other teams from doing as well as they could be due to a lack of vision. Therefore, in order to keep qual matches more interesting, we should scream for sally.


In addition, you have to remember when screaming you are not in isolation. You are paired with alliance partners when competing. Although you may think impairing vision to your side of the field does not affect your own teams score, it may still affect your partners. This means most likely you would still be hurting yourself more than the other team. Especially if you were close to weakening a tower, and one of your partners doesn't get onto the batter(or whatever its called) due to that lack of vision.

#ScreamForSally

[iruletheskys]

Originally Posted by cj3958

I think the point here is mainly that in general, no one can do the drawbridge on their own. Because of this, the only reason you would vote for the drawbridge is to prevent other teams from doing as well as they could be due to a lack of vision. Therefore, in order to keep qual matches more interesting, we should scream for sally.


In addition, you have to remember when screaming you are not in isolation. You are paired with alliance partners when competing. Although you may think impairing vision to your side of the field does not affect your own teams score, it may still affect your partners. This means most likely you would still be hurting yourself more than the other team. Especially if you were close to weakening a tower, and one of your partners doesn't get onto the batter(or whatever its called) due to that lack of vision.

#ScreamForSally

This is all about vision not teams not being able to do the drawbridge. The sallyport is much lower and easier to see over that's the point of #ScreamForSally.

[Tymethy]

Originally Posted by iruletheskys

It isn't necessary but it does improve visibility and you also have two other teams in your matches and they might or might not have a camera.

Originally Posted by iruletheskys

This is all about vision not teams not being able to do the drawbridge. The sallyport is much lower and easier to see over that's the point of #ScreamForSally.

My team also uses a camera and while yes it hurts if a partner cant see as well
then try to help them but I think the limited vision adds to the challenge of the
game. Its just like any other challenge in the game if you cant do it then you cant. It should have been something discussed.

[iruletheskys]

Originally Posted by Tymethy

My team also uses a camera and while yes it hurts if a partner cant see as well
then try to help them but I think the limited vision adds to the challenge of the
game. Its just like any other challenge in the game if you cant do it then you cant. It should have been something discussed.

If teams have to build large poles with cameras on them to see the field, then I don't believe it should be a part of the game.

[Zealii]

At the Indiana District Tippecanoe Event, the Sally Port was chosen by the audience during eliminations. The roar of the crowd was deafening in favor of the Sally Port. When the emcee announced the drawbridge, the crowd went silent for a moment and then laughed. Come to think of it, sometime halfway through the first day (Saturday) it was rare to see the Drawbridge on the field.
#ScreamForSally

[TytanRock]

The big thing about Scream for Sally is that it's for the audience selection defense. When the audience selects the drawbridge it affects all the teams and mostly for the worse since you have to rely on a camera or a marker to figure out where your robot is.

Some teams are saying it doesn't affect them because of the camera, but it does with reasons being that in the heat of a competition you don't want to take your eyes off the robot and look at a computer screen, plus the point of view on the camera is objectively inferior to seeing the robot in its entirety.

Our team played a match where both the drawbridges were audience selected along with both the portcullis out (the CDF's were out of commission for that round) and the match was extremely slow because of it, nobody wanted a broken robot.

If you believe your team can deal with the drawbridge easily, then feel free to select it for your match, but for the good of all the teams and entertaining competition the audience should scream for sally.

[pfreivald]

As if I and my tiny team needed another reason to loath the screaming-as-selection process.

[anishde]

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes

You might feel obligated to try to win every single qual match that you play, but I don't. I have a higher priority for qual matches that may or may not involve trying to win.

You play your hardest in matches, because you want to do well. Anything else would qualify as a T7 or T8, which for the spirit of the game, do you really want to do?

Originally Posted by Zealii

At the Indiana District Tippecanoe Event, the Sally Port was chosen by the audience during eliminations. The roar of the crowd was deafening in favor of the Sally Port. When the emcee announced the drawbridge, the crowd went silent for a moment and then laughed. Come to think of it, sometime halfway through the first day (Saturday) it was rare to see the Drawbridge on the field.
#ScreamForSally

I can only speak for a few regionals that I've watched, but the Drawbridge was a common fixture at NYCR. Our team was often blocked by it, but honestly? It was part of STRONGHOLD, and it can and will be used strategically and should not be avoided to throw matches.