FRC Top 25 Week .5 and 1 Results!

[Tyler Olds]

Thank you to everyone who watched FUN Recap last night! We are delighted to post the results of the FRC Top 25 for Week .5 & Week 1 below!

Congrats to Rishi and Hayden from FRC3683 Team Dave for their regional win and thank you for being our guests!

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Thanks to Orangemoore for posting the Top25 Teams on the other thread. Here's the completed list. Do you think the community and expert poll missed anyone? Who do you believe should have received the #1 spot?

Spoiler for TOP 25:

Team # -- Community/Expert
1.0179 -- 1/2
2.0033 -- 3/1
3.0067 -- 2/4
4.0359 -- 4/3
5.3683 -- 5/6
6.1983 -- 6/5
7.1918 -- 11/7
8.5172 -- 10/8
9.4451 -- 7/10
10.0025 -- 12/9
11.1023 -- 8/T21
12.4009 -- 9/20
13.4001 -- 14/15
14.0341 -- 19/12
15.0011 -- 16/14
16.0558 -- 15/17
17.1511 -- 13/19
18.0876 -- 24/11
19.2502 -- 18/18
20.0188 -- 22/13
21.2052 -- 34/16
22.3604 -- 17/26
23.3238 -- 25/23
24.3021 -- 27/T24
25.0177 -- 40/T21

Spoiler for Expert Poll Only Through Top 40:

Rank Team# Weighted Pts.
1 33 2189
2 179 2037
3 359 1940
4 67 1718
5 1983 1649
6 3683 1594
7 1918 1316
8 5172 1247
9 25 915
10 4451 887
11 876 790
12 341 748
13 188 721
14 11 707
15 4001 679
16 2052 665
17 558 651
18 2502 624
19 1511 554
20 4009 513
21 177 499
21 1023 499
23 3238 471
24 1418 430
24 3021 430
26 3604 402
27 78 360
28 1218 346
29 56 319
30 1257 305
30 1718 305
30 2363 305
33 41 291
34 2137 263
34 4452 263
36 1731 249
36 2200 249
36 2393 249
36 2590 249
40 1878 222

Spoiler for Community Poll Only Through Top 40:

Rank Team# Points
1 179 1861
2 67 1760
3 33 1682
4 359 1413
5 3683 1343
6 1983 1228
7 4451 840
8 1023 830
9 4009 736
10 5172 697
11 1918 680
12 25 611
13 1511 573
14 4001 530
15 558 488
16 11 476
17 3604 449
18 2502 445
19 341 438
20 2590 370
21 1296 351
22 188 345
23 1218 311
24 876 298
25 3238 286
26 3360 282
27 3021 278
28 1718 273
29 2137 268
30 238 267
31 2987 252
32 2363 236
33 2883 233
34 2052 223
35 5805 219
36 3255 217
37 1923 216
38 4384 197
39 548 193
40 177 191

[MARS_James]

After crunching the numbers I really like the community, expert system, and not just cause we were number 1.

The only thing I am worried about is a situation where the number 1 and 2 are flopped between expert and community because the experts hold much more power in the top 3 rankings then the community does based on points.

One thing that may be just like a cool shout out to do is the honorable mentions: Teams that if the rankings would have been done either pure community, or pure expert would be a top 25, so this week would be: 2590, 1296, 1218, and 1418 (Community Ranked 20, 21, and 23, and Expert Ranked 24), Personally I would do it during your break before the top 10 so as not to give away some of the bottom ranked teams but also to give recognition to some lesser known teams whose efforts were recognized one way or another. Though I understand strapped for time and all but it still would be kind of cool.

[hardcopi]

I have to say for 33 to be at the top after not moving for several matches makes me shudder a little. I can't wait to compete against them (hopefully) at MSC.

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

One thing that may be just like a cool shout out to do is the honorable mentions: Teams that if the rankings would have been done either pure community, or pure expert would be a top 25, so this week would be: 2590, 1296, 1218, and 1418 (Community Ranked 20, 21, and 23, and Expert Ranked 24), Personally I would do it during your break before the top 10 so as not to give away some of the bottom ranked teams but also to give recognition to some lesser known teams whose efforts were recognized one way or another. Though I understand strapped for time and all but it still would be kind of cool.

This is a really good idea! We will take this into consideration for the live show! Congrats on taking the #1 ranking!

[throwaway]

I like the idea of having it split 50/50 between experts and the community but I find I'm surprised at the experts rankings, I disagree with them a lot. I can't believe they ranked 33 has #1 and 3683 as #6 I agree 100% with the community rankings especially in the top 10.

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by throwaway

I like the idea of having it split 50/50 between experts and the community but I find I'm surprised at the experts rankings, I disagree with them a lot. I can't believe they ranked 33 has #1 and 3683 as #6 I agree 100% with the community rankings especially in the top 10.

One thing to point out too is that the experts do not know who any of the other experts are. They are all mentors on FRC teams and spread out through North America.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by throwaway

I like the idea of having it split 50/50 between experts and the community but I find I'm surprised at the experts rankings, I disagree with them a lot. I can't believe they ranked 33 has #1 and 3683 as #6 I agree 100% with the community rankings especially in the top 10.

Dude did you see 33 this weekend? They were far and away the best robot week 1 once they started working. Nothing against 179, they have a phenomenal machine as well, and I know for a fact from working with them that they're incredibly smart too, but 33's machine IMO outclassed the rest of Week 1.

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by throwaway

I can't believe they ranked 33 has #1

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Dude did you see 33 this weekend? They were far and away the best robot week 1 once they started working. 33's machine IMO outclassed the rest of Week 1.

The fact that they gave the rest of Waterford a 4 match handicap and still made it to be the 8th seed is a testament to their ability. There are only a handful of teams that could possibly pull something like that off.

[Mike Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Dude did you see 33 this weekend? They were far and away the best robot week 1 once they started working. Nothing against 179, they have a phenomenal machine as well, and I know for a fact from working with them that they're incredibly smart too, but 33's machine IMO outclassed the rest of Week 1.

179 is a fantastic robot this year and well deserving of a high ranking, but I can't second this enough. I was scared all day Friday that someone else was going to seed first and pick 33 because we didn't stand a chance at beating them (I'm surprised we were community voted above them). They are by far the best team we've seen in MI so far and I hope we get the chance of playing with them again at MSC once both our robots are working at full capacity - aka we can actually score high.

[XaulZan11]

Just curious: for those who voted (experts or nonexperts) how did you determine which teams ranked where? Did you watch matches of all teams, rely on OPR, acquire scouting stats from teams at the events, talk to teams at the events, look at alliance selection, other ways? With all these events, it's really hard to get good representations of all the teams.

Edit: I'm not taking a shot at FRC Top 25 or the specific 25 teams voted. I used to vote in these things before it became too much to keep track of all the teams. Interested to see how others approached it.

[BJC]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Dude did you see 33 this weekend? They were far and away the best robot week 1 once they started working. Nothing against 179, they have a phenomenal machine as well, and I know for a fact from working with them that they're incredibly smart too, but 33's machine IMO outclassed the rest of Week 1.

Well I saw them and I wasn't impressed. Loooots of work to do before their next event if you ask me.


Looking forwards to watching 118, 148, 254, 624, 971, 987, 1114, 2056 and others absolutely blow our scores out of the water this weekend!

, Bryan

[cadandcookies]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Just curious: for those who voted (experts or nonexperts) how did you determine which teams ranked where? Did you watch matches of all teams, rely on OPR, acquire scouting stats from teams at the events, talk to teams at the events, look at alliance selection, other ways? With all these events, it's really hard to get good representations of all the teams.

I voted based on any robots that I had seen matches of. I know this isn't a perfect way of voting, but I trust that the other 100 or so people that watched will balance out regional preferences at least somewhat (and I think the final rankings are pretty good in that regard).

[throwaway]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

once they started working.

Yea... once they started working. I saw potential for a great bot yes but they had a rough start so I wouldn't rank them first. 3683 on the other hand was consistently performing at the top of their game for the entire regional at GTR Central. And 3683 is probably one of the best low shooters we'll see, their average cycle time was around 12 seconds, they flew over defenses like 118 in their reveal and they hung. Once again they did all of that consistently throughout Friday and Saturday.

[catmanjake]

Any videos out yet on the top teams? I would like to see what makes them ranked so high.

[LDiDomenico]

Originally Posted by catmanjake

Any videos out yet on the top teams? I would like to see what makes them ranked so high.

67 and 33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpy3eVct-Qo

4451 and 179

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC3IltKKVmI

3683

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv9fBmu9yKU

1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJJogJ_sbs

5172

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA23LUPDESI