Real Week 2 update

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

So a couple of things, it is not that rare to have teams face each other multiple times at the same event, when the event has less than 50 teams. If you think about it you are at an event with 49 teams and you are going to play 10 matches. So that means that 48 teams get to fill the 50 spots that make up you alliance partners and the opposing alliance, in a perfect world that would mean that random team X and Y would play with and against you to make things fair, but alas we are not in a perfect world. At Palmetto, an event with 64 teams we never played with or against our eventual winning alliance partners 4451 and 1369 but we did play both with and against 2200. This is because in order to maximize the amount of time between matches for teams usually the algorithm will draw the teams for your next match from a set of 5 matches: The two before your match, your match, and the two after your match. Personally I wish there was a way to set the algorithm so based on event size it could limit the amount of time teams appear together in a match but I would match rather have the time to fix my robot, come up with a strategy and rest my drive team.

Top bots seemingly always being paired up together is also not to rare. Like I said above you have 48 teams to fill out the 50 slots to make up the matches you are in, so you have a 40% chance of them being an alliance partner and a 60% chance of them being on the opposing alliance not to weird. It is only noticeable when top teams are seemingly always randomly together because they are top teams, if you ran a statistical analysis of how many times a set of two teams have gotten paired up at a particular event versus how many times it could happen (ie number of times on an alliance over number of times both teams have attended the event), you may be surprised to find a lot of teams that the algorithm "likes" to pair up together.


I just checked 254's match results and in quals they went 9 wins 1 loss. They never tied, so there was no critical RP getting them up to the number 2. Also 254 finished with 30 RP versus the 27 RP for your team, they would have needed to lose 2 more of their matches to have had them fall below you in the rankings.



That sucks, no other word for it but also remember those other teams earned those world/regional credentials. 973 your alliance partner is a former world champion which they earned, should your team have gotten their regional rookie all star award mentioned, yes, but that doesn't take away from the amazing things that those other teams have accomplished.

At Orlando we had a similar thing done in the finals the number 1 seed was made up of 233 (13 Regional Wins, and 5 Einstein Appearances) 180 (7 Regional Wins, and 2012 World Champion) and 4592 (First Time in a Finals), versus 2383(1 regional Win, and a subdivision finalist), 3556 (1 finalist appearance) and 2797. 2797 Knight & Nerdy was competing in their 8th season and had just won the first official award in their entire existence the previous day with an imagery award and had never made it past quarter finals at a regional. Do you want to know what I thought when these things were announced, it wasn't "wow look how bad those other teams are in comparison to 180 and 233" It was "wow we are finally getting the previous generation (2383 9 years, 2797 8 years, and 3556 6 years) competing with the veterans of their time (180 19 years, 233 18 years) and this generation (4592 4 years) making their debut with the big boys." Don't discredit your own accomplishments, it is a big deal for such a young team to be competing at the level you are especially with the giants of your state at the event, any team who you want to notice you, noticed you, and if they didn't you didn't want them to notice you in the first place.

Thanks 179 for the World Class perspective on my young three year observations starting with a team from scratch.... I was there and there was a tie. I'm fairly certain it was with Blue alliance is wrong as I see no ties and there were several in CV. I'm pretty sure I am remembering it correctly as I knew it affected dropping us to 3. That 1RP versus 0RP was huge (at that point).

I appreciate the thorough explanation of how you see the schedule making.

We do pride ourselves on being the scrappy low resource team that seems to design effective bots and we take pride with getting the 27 RP in 10 which is similar to your own 22 in week 0.5 in 8 (within 0.75)... in qualifications. I love your bots I look forward to seeing them every year. We will earn our way back in one day and hope we share same side of the glass one day.