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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

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Everyone's fighting about safety, and rules, and the refs, but all we have to use is our common sense.

The ref should look at the team's camera pole, and if it looks ridiculously weak, then remove it. If it looks like it will be OK during the match, just leave it.

Simple as that.
You'll that quite a few people around here object to "common sense" (aka "reasonably astute observer") rulings. Those individuals prefer things to be explicitly spelled out.
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

These stations are pretty crazy.

Something like 3419's worries me in the wrong hands but, they took the necessary precautions to secure it. To start, they secured the entire station with industrial suction cups. When I first saw the station week 6, I made a comment on ChiefDelphi about the strength of the alliance stations and they read it. Because of this they decided to put a wood under the station.

The issue is when teams do not take the necessary precautions and mess everything up.
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

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You'll that quite a few people around here object to "common sense" (aka "reasonably astute observer") rulings. Those individuals prefer things to be explicitly spelled out.
Yes. Yes I do. I'd like to rely on "astute observer" rules but I've also seen what a biased "observer" who wields absolute control can do to screw teams over.

That being said, I know we talked about pic on a stick but I think this is getting a wee bit out of hand. Though I wouldn't mind webcasts/match recordings from this perspective...
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That being said, I know we talked about pic on a stick but I think this is getting a wee bit out of hand. Though I wouldn't mind webcasts/match recordings from this perspective...
I thought it was ridiculous until I saw those images, now I want a 30 ft camera pole.. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread and those who posted images.
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

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Yes. Yes I do. I'd like to rely on "astute observer" rules but I've also seen what a biased "observer" who wields absolute control can do to screw teams over.

That being said, I know we talked about pic on a stick but I think this is getting a wee bit out of hand. Though I wouldn't mind webcasts/match recordings from this perspective...
We recorded most of our matches from our "eyes in the sky".

I'll try to upload this week.

On the topic of the thread, the advantage we gain from our camera is noticed and helped us locate boulders to score (and avoid driving over hidden boulders).

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Doesn't look like a COT to me.
I heard folding chairs work pretty well, though. I have a few silly-sounding questions for some of the teams using camera poles-
1. how often does the drive team actually look at the camera? We've tried on-board cameras and the like and our drivers never seem to actually use them.
2. (this ones a little more specific to 254) doesn't that thing sway around? If so, how much does it affect the image? The stadiums we compete in can be a bit drafty, after all.
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

This is pretty neat, never really thought about this at all while building or strategizing so I'm impressed with all who were able to take advantage of this kudos to you all. I think it's fine. safety wise has any fallen yet? The way the competition is teams are going to make sure they secure it otherwise if it falls it would be of no use to them and rather then that a distraction from driving there robots. A ten foot tower falling people are going to look. so I'm confident they will all be secured very well. And if it's kept all within the rules of the game which it curtainly seems like it does. Then it's Fair game
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

Are these poles being used telescoping or sectional? If not how are you storing them in your pit, which is restricted to 10' high and typically 10'x10' of floor space? (they need to be in the pits for inspection at least.) And if you get sway or get hit with a boulder, do you exceed the 60"x 14" rule ? Should that matter ? What if they are swaying forward into the field above the courtyard ? What should happen if a boulder hits one, and is deflected into a goal?
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

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Are these poles being used telescoping or sectional? If not how are you storing them in your pit, which is restricted to 10' high and typically 10'x10' of floor space? (they need to be in the pits for inspection at least.) And if you get sway or get hit with a boulder, do you exceed the 60"x 14" rule ? Should that matter ? What if they are swaying forward into the field above the courtyard ? What should happen if a boulder hits one, and is deflected into a goal?
Quite a few of the poles (at least at CVR) were of the telescoping variety. After the first day of matches, quite a few teams had run out and bought a telescoping pole from Home Depot.
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Are these poles being used telescoping or sectional? If not how are you storing them in your pit, which is restricted to 10' high and typically 10'x10' of floor space? (they need to be in the pits for inspection at least.) And if you get sway or get hit with a boulder, do you exceed the 60"x 14" rule ? Should that matter ? What if they are swaying forward into the field above the courtyard ? What should happen if a boulder hits one, and is deflected into a goal?
1678 is using a sectional aluminum tubing pole, the sway has not been an issue as it is very minor when there is any at all.
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Are these poles being used telescoping or sectional? If not how are you storing them in your pit, which is restricted to 10' high and typically 10'x10' of floor space? (they need to be in the pits for inspection at least.) And if you get sway or get hit with a boulder, do you exceed the 60"x 14" rule ? Should that matter ? What if they are swaying forward into the field above the courtyard ? What should happen if a boulder hits one, and is deflected into a goal?
We used this one, but then ours weren't quite to Ludicrous Height. Top height was a little above the standards.
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Re: Request: Picture from camera on pole in driverstation

Man with all these cameras on poles I wonder if at some point there will be enough that a team won't have to use one and instead be able to just look over at another teams station.
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Man with all these cameras on poles I wonder if at some point there will be enough that a team won't have to use one and instead be able to just look over at another teams station.
We shared ours in several quals.
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