Flipping Rule

[joeojazz]

Hello at our competition in Midland Michigan this week some robots came close to tipping us over in the playoffs. I was wondering if there were any rules preventing them from doing so, or if there was a penalty if they did.

[nick4130]

That depends on where you are on the field and what time of the game is it. If you look at the centerline district, there's a match were a robot is totally flipped by a defensive bot.

[joeojazz]

Originally Posted by nick4130

That depends on where you are on the field and what time of the game is it. If you look at the centerline district, there's a match were a robot is totally flipped by a defensive bot.

We are in their zone trying to score. Also was their a penalty when this happen couldn't find the video.

[tr6scott]

G24 Strategies aimed at the destruction or inhibition of ROBOTS via attachment, damage, tipping,
entanglements, or deliberately putting a BOULDER on an opponent’s ROBOT are not allowed.
Violation: FOUL and YELLOW CARD. If harm or incapacitation occurs as a result of the strategy,
RED CARD

So the action has to be ruled by the Judge as an intentional act of our strategy.
Being that we (TORC 2137) was playing D, which is allowed by the rules, and that the bot that was flipped, (don't remember number, it was in the semis "at Waterford" which I can not find posted on youtube) was actively engaging us, and other times we had hit them and backed off prior to flipping them, we were not penalized at all.

[nick4130]

Then, I believe there is no foul unless it's in the last 20 seconds.

[rsisk]

There was a red card issued for flipping a robot during the QF at Seneca yesterday

[joeojazz]

Originally Posted by tr6scott

So the action has to be ruled by the Judge as an intentional act of our strategy.
Being that we (TORC 2137) was playing D, which is allowed by the rules, and that the bot that was flipped, (don't remember number, it was in the semis which I can not find posted on youtube) was actively engaging us, and other times we had hit them and backed off prior to flipping them, we were not penalized at all.

OK thanks a lot I'll make sure to look at the replay when it gets released.

[joeojazz]

Originally Posted by rsisk

There was a red card issued for flipping a robot during the QF at Seneca yesterday

Was it intentional or how was the robot flipped?

[tr6scott]

Originally Posted by rsisk

There was a red card issued for flipping a robot during the QF at Seneca yesterday

At Waterford there was discussion about ours, and I could have seen it being flagged too.

But I think the judge got it right in our case. We were playing hard D, which is allowed by the rules, it was not in the last 20 seconds.

You don't get to score a goal uncontested, because you designed a tippy robot.

[Richard Wallace]

There was a good example of this in F2 at Lakeview. With about 50 seconds left, 85 and 5980 get into a head-on confrontation in front of the blue tower. BoB wins and the blue bot goes over backwards, out for the rest of the match. You can clearly see the Head Ref calling the foul (the only one assessed against red that match) a second or two later. No yellow card.

That same incident was featured in the Week 2 episode (Season 2 Episode 3) of RoboZone. 2:48.

[rsisk]

Originally Posted by joeojazz

Was it intentional or how was the robot flipped?

Robot was playing very tough defense. Had the other robot up on end, backed up, then hit again, causing the tip.

If video ever shows up, it will be here: https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2016njtab_qf4m1

[MrBasse]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

There was a good example of this in F2 at Lakeview. With about 50 seconds left, 85 and 5980 get into a head-on confrontation in front of the blue tower. BoB wins and the blue bot goes over backwards, out for the rest of the match. You can clearly see the Head Ref calling the foul (the only one assessed against red that match) a second or two later. No yellow card.

That same incident was featured in the Week 2 episode (Season 2 Episode 3) of RoboZone. 2:48.

I'm not seeing what the flurry of fouls on blue was immediately after that red flag. If BoB could have just not done that last little push at the end I think they might have not earned that tipping foul either...

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by MrBasse

I'm not seeing what the flurry of fouls on blue was immediately after that red flag.

Second blue robot in their courtyard.

[tr6scott]

Forgot about robozone, here is our hit at Waterford, that was not flagged.

https://youtu.be/jWBjueiorZw?t=18m35s

[MrBasse]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

Second blue robot in their courtyard.

Ahhhh, you forget about the simple rules when you haven't played yet. Rough call though since the first one was definitely out of play, would that still stand if the flipped bot had been e-stopped?