QS18VN6LP: Wiring Diagram???

[addis687]

Hello,

I am looking for a wiring diagram more detailed than this for the Banner QS18VN6LP:



If anyone knows how to find (or has) it, can you please post here?
Thank you.
P.S.: I am specifically looking for the Load value.

[isaacaddis]

Hello? Has anyone found anything?

[addis687]

I need to know too...

[SuperBK]

That's about as good as the diagrams get. Once you understand what it means, then it makes sense. The device has an NPN transistor output which means that it draws current into itself from a load connected to power and routes that current to ground. One "input" (pin 4) will turn on when the sensor detects a reflection. The other input (pin 2) is on without a reflection and will turn off once a reflection is seen".

The load in industry is usually a device that senses the current. In our case, its usually a pull up resistor. The device can sink maximum of 100 ma, so a resistor around 500 ohms would be good. That would allow it draw around 22 ma. (12-1) / 500 = 0.022 A (ohms law)

In summary, you have a resistor connected to 5V and to pin 4 or 2 of the device.

The voltage at the pin of the device would be measured to detect whether or not an object is present. The measuring is the issue, if you connect that to a logic input on the roboRio, it probably won't go low enough for a good logic low, (which is less than 0.7 volts). You can connect it to an analog input and tell if its less that 2.5 volts, and then consider it on.

We went through this last year and wound up running it through an opto-isolator which not only have us a nice solid logic low, it also separated the sensor from the 5 (or maybe it was 3.3) volts of the logic input. If you are interested in that circuit, let me know by responding or PM me.

[addis687]

Could you please send a picture of your circuit?

[FrankJ]

Originally Posted by SuperBK

it also separated the sensor from the 5 (or maybe it was 3.3) volts of the logic input. If you are interested in that circuit, let me know by responding or PM me.

Yes please. a sketch of the circuit and the opto-isolator you are using would be nice.

[SuperBK]

I dug out my sketch. Warning - my drawing and handwriting are pretty bad, but you should be able to make it out. The reflective sensor is on the left and the digital input to the roboRio is on the right, with the opto-isolator in between. I have attached it to this thread.

[Alan Anderson]

The Banner sensor has four wires.

• Brown connects to a 12v supply, either from the PDP or from a 500ma output of the VRM.
• Blue connects to the associated "ground" of the supply, either the PDP or VRM.
• White or Black goes to the SIG pin of a DIO port on the roboRIO.

That's all. The White wire goes active when the sensor sees a reflection; the Black wire is active when the sensor does not see a reflection.

The "load" on the diagram is misleading. It isn't something you need to add; it is provided by the internal pullup resistor on the roboRIO's DIO pin.

[Joey1939]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

The Banner sensor has four wires.

• Brown connects to a 12v supply, either from the PDP or from a 500ma output of the VRM.
• Blue connects to the associated "ground" of the supply, either the PDP or VRM.
• White or Black goes to the SIG pin of a DIO port on the roboRIO.

That's all. The White wire goes active when the sensor sees a reflection; the Black wire is active when the sensor does not see a reflection.

The "load" on the diagram is misleading. It isn't something you need to add; it is provided by the internal pullup resistor on the roboRIO's DIO pin.

When we got to competition, our inspector pointed out that the wire was too small of a gauge for a 20amp breaker and asked us to move it to the VRM.

[Chris_Ely]

Originally Posted by Joey1939

When we got to competition, our inspector pointed out that the wire was too small of a gauge for a 20amp breaker and asked us to move it to the VRM.

That inspector must have been mistaken.
R49 exempts wires that are recommended by the device manufacturer.

Originally Posted by 2016 Game Manual R49

Wires that are recommended by the device manufacturer or originally attached to legal devices are
considered part of the device and by default legal. Such wires are exempt from R49.

[FrankJ]

The VRM is a better choice since it is a boosted supply. The PDP will drop below 10 volts causing the sensor to brown out. The sensor might, might sometimes or might not pull low enough for the roborio to read it as a 0. One of the issues with using +12 volt sensors with 3.3 volt IO. That is the reason for Brian's modification.

[Schroedes23]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

The Banner sensor has four wires.

• Brown connects to a 12v supply, either from the PDP or from a 500ma output of the VRM.
• Blue connects to the associated "ground" of the supply, either the PDP or VRM.
• White or Black goes to the SIG pin of a DIO port on the roboRIO.

That's all. The White wire goes active when the sensor

sees a reflection; the Black wire is active when the sensor does not see a reflection.

The "load" on the diagram is misleading. It isn't something you need to add; it is provided by the internal pullup resistor on the roboRIO's DIO pin.

Everything is right in this post other than the roboRIO does not have an internal pullup resistor. You will need to add a pullup resistor between your signal and your positive pin. We had to do the same on our robot. I wish they would have designed the pull up resistor internally like on the cRIO.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Schroedes23

...the roboRIO does not have an internal pullup resistor...I wish they would have designed the pull up resistor internally like on the cRIO.

According to the NI roboRIO User Manual, the roboRIO does have internal pullup resistors on the DIO pins. See page 15:

DIO <9..0> on the DIO port, CS <3..0> on the SPI port, and DIO <13..0> on the MXP all have
40 kΩ pullup resistors to 3.3 V, as shown in Figure 16.

Figure 16 is just a picture of a 40 kΩ resistor between the DIO line and the +3.3 V bus.

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Schroedes23

Everything is right in this post other than the roboRIO does not have an internal pullup resistor. You will need to add a pullup resistor between your signal and your positive pin. We had to do the same on our robot. I wish they would have designed the pull up resistor internally like on the cRIO.

The roboRIO does have a pull-up, but it may not have been strong enough for your sensor. I didn't look for this one, but for the very similar QS18VN6LV the leakage current spec suggests it won't work on the roboRIO without an additional pull-up (though the one I tested did seem to work plugged in direct).

[Al Skierkiewicz]

According to data I read, the saturation of the output transistors in the Banner Sensor is typically 1.2 volts. That may not always be low enough to sensed by the 3.3 volt logic. I suspect that the opto-coupler is lower and that is why it works.