[FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST

[ttldomination]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Automated scoring is still having quite a bit of trouble with district calculations, it seems. Many, many picks for every team are missing points at one or multiple events for ranking and awards. Qualifications win/loss is almost always correct and eliminations performance is always right. In the case of First Pick, my calculations are bringing us more than 300 points higher than the score listed on the Automated Scoring, and I'm sure every other team has similar situations.

If you go into the "Raw Picks" tab and look at districts, you can see the gaps of missing data.

Just a couple of questions so that I can better understand the issues here:

1) When you say "gaps of missing data", what exactly are you referring to?

2) Can you provide an example of picks that are missing awards and eliminations information at events? This'll help me chase down the issues much quicker.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

[BrennanB]

Draft order from the 2016 season.

Teams that were kicked/withdrawn from the league were factored out

eg. if the draft was

1. Team that got kicked out/withdrew
2. Team that is still in

The team bumps up to #1 pick position.

Districts aren't included cause it got swapped around.




Weighted rankings

1st pick = 8 pnts
2nd pick = 7 pnts
3rd pick = 6 pnts
.....
....
8th pick = 1pnts

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by ttldomination

Just a couple of questions so that I can better understand the issues here:

1) When you say "gaps of missing data", what exactly are you referring to?

2) Can you provide an example of picks that are missing awards and eliminations information at events? This'll help me chase down the issues much quicker.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

The gaps of missing data that I'm referring to are missing points for mostly district teams (regionals are almost perfect except for a few instances of missed qualification win points). In the "Raw Picks" tab, Column J (District Points) are shown as 0 for all CHS teams except 1262 and 1610. This problem maintains over all of the districts. Some teams also have ranking points missing from one of their two events, such that they are awarded approximately half points for ranking.

Without much more knowledge than educated guesses about how, when, and where you pull data and parse through it, I can't really help trace back the problem, but to me it looks like random teams are missing random points, and these missing points are traced to the ranking points in almost every case.

Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0.

That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly.

[ttldomination]

Those explanations were perfect, and I was able to identify the issues and make the fixes in the automated scoring.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

The gaps of missing data that I'm referring to are missing points for mostly district teams (regionals are almost perfect except for a few instances of missed qualification win points). In the "Raw Picks" tab, Column J (District Points) are shown as 0 for all CHS teams except 1262 and 1610. This problem maintains over all of the districts. Some teams also have ranking points missing from one of their two events, such that they are awarded approximately half points for ranking.

For this one, I found an issue in how the district points calculation was being done. Long story short, the calculation was being done at the district level and not the event level, which lead to issues throughout the sheet.

I have made the appropriate fixes to make sure that the district points are being calculated at the event level and then are being rolled up to the district level.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0.

The issue is that the district system started handing out awards for teams that had qualified for states, but we were not recognizing that award. This ultimately threw and error and caused the teams' scores to go to 0.

Unfortunately, when new awards flow into the system, they're going to cause some havoc until we go in and assign points for them.

In this case, I have given this "award" 0 points, and the issue should now be fixed.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly.

I appreciate you keeping track of your score to help keep the automated system honest, and I appreciate everyone's help in ironing out issues in the system.

Let me know if there are any other concerns,
- Sunny G.

[EricH]

I'd like to remind everybody that the District Championship drafts are coming up right after Week 5 action (and, in some cases, during that action!). Checking the spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...in8/edit#gid=0, we have...

PNW DCMP on Sunday, 7 PM Eastern
Chesapeake DCMP and Indiana DCMP on Monday, 7 PM Eastern
North Carolina DCMP on Tuesday, 7 PM Eastern

Chesapeake and North Carolina still need draft runners.

Now, here's the catch. I could just randomize the order of each draft, same as usual. But, as has been noted, that tends to not give an even spread. I could base off of the current points--but that's even more annoying. So what I'm going to do instead is:

The first draft (PNW) will be randomized. After that, each subsequent draft will move the list "down" one space. That is, first pick in the first draft is now second pick, second is now third, last pick is now first, etc. The only day we're doing two drafts is on Monday--first draft posted takes the first rotation and second draft posted takes the second. What this does (for this size of league) is that everybody will have one pick in every spot on the list.


As a reminder, CMP drafting will happen once the CMP divisions are released. We'll be starting probably the Friday before the event and draft two drafts/day until we're done. Can't do much without the divisions... Draft order for CMP is in order of regular-season fantasy finish.

[ghostmachine360]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
MAR: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140825
NE: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140894
CHS: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140909
PNW: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140889
PCH: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140944
FiM: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140723

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

[EricH]

Originally Posted by ghostmachine360

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
[...]

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

That being said, we will go by district ranking, as shown in the scoring sheet (BTW, I find that links to external documents need to be reposted every few pages just to keep them handy). Ignore my prior post on that topic.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by EricH

Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

I'll take responsibility for the post in question: (#86).

I wouldn't say I was complaining, but I was definitely suggesting a different approach to district draft seeding, before said drafts took place. Myself and the others in agreement did not provide a final algorithm or solution at the time. I would be happy to help develop a new approach, based on league feedback in the off-season.

In case anyone is curious, I have similar data to Brennan's on seed order. Ours is not segregated though and includes seed position based on the starting count of FF teams (10), and does not have district drafts separated out (but I could provide that if anyone is interested):

FF Teams	AVG Draft Seed
Rotten Fruit Alliance	4.5
Falcon	                4.68
OrangeJuice	        4.82
Swamp Life	        4.89
The ULCAN	        4.95
Broconnor	        5.17
FIRST Pick	        5.26
The Breakfast Company	5.73

Just looking at district drafts alone, we have variations in the team pool size which make weighting the pick order in certain regions difficult. A 1st seed in Michigan, where we draft 48 teams (from a pool of 400) is definitely not the same as a 1st seed in Indiana where we draft 24 teams (from a pool of 54). I did like the concept of adding onto the serpentine for day two of drafts, but I don't think it solves the underlying issue(s).

In case anyone is interested, here's data which shows averages of just district pick positions for each FF team (across the regions). *Note: A 1st seed in a 24 team draft gets pick positions 1, 16, and 17, for an average pick position of ~11.33, the rest of the numbers were derived similarly (as can be seen on the attached sheet).

(FF Team)(Sum of District Pick Positions)(Average Seeded District Pick Position)
Broconnor	        158.17	19.77
Falcon	                158.83	19.85
Swamp Life	        159.17	19.90
Rotten Fruit Alliance	159.83	19.98
FIRST Pick	        160.50	20.06
OrangeJuice	        160.50	20.06
The ULCAN	        160.50	20.06
The Breakfast Company	162.50	20.31

I'm hoping the individual tracking of drafts (by TBC, OJ, and RFA), as well as the automated scoring system from this season will help us develop new methods next year.

[ghostmachine360]

RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

[EricH]

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by EricH

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

Whoopsies.

Priority has been sent in PM to Eric

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by EricH

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

I am up to date on all free trades, except the most recent from Kyle:

Originally Posted by ghostmachine360

RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

I need to catch up on are all the waivers that expired last night. Here's the list of original claimants. Just let me know who actually got what, and what they are swapping out:

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

FF Team	OUT	IN	Event
TBC	?	3802	Hub City
TBC	?	5818	Idaho
ULCAN	?	5050	MI
TBC	?	4639	Lonestar
TBC	?	4904	SVR
TBC	?	2352	Lonestar

This was the last stated waiver priority:

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa

I believe the new waiver priority should be:

Waiver Priority:
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance

I processed 48 @ Queen City for Falcon, so Falcon should move to the bottom before handling last night's batch. Other than that, I still need to fill in randoms for all of the Week 4 No-Shows when I get a chance (Thanks Brennan!)...

Randoms to Resolve (Week 4):

FF	Out	Regional
Falcon	698	Colorado Regional
Swamp	2815	Dallas Regional
Falcon	6233	Dallas Regional
OJ	2789	Dallas Regional
Falcon	5873	Dallas Regional
OJ	5947	Finger Lakes Regional
OJ	2502	Iowa Regional
ULCAN	4762	Iowa Regional
FP	5076	North Bay Regional

[EricH]

Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by EricH

Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

I am up to date now on all swaps, excluding the TBC waivers above that need attention, and the Week 4 randoms. I'll try and get to those tomorrow, non-robot life has been busy.