The REAL chokehold of 2016

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by AmiableVariable

Concerns about building this aside.
I would be worried giving something like this to an alliance partner who would be driving it for the first time in playoffs. There are not a lot of teams using holonomic drives, and kiwi drives MUCH differently from a standard kitbot, Rhino treads, or most other drive trains. As such, there would be a very high chance of getting stuck in the secret passage and lowbar, or racking up fouls for hitting someone in the outerworks, just in an attempt to get to the secret passage.
It is an interesting concept, but not reasonable to implement in between alliance selection and playoffs.

This was also one of our main concerns. We asked someone on the team that has never driven before to give it a try. He took about a minute to get comfortable driving, which is pretty good. The thing is that the robot does not have to drive for most of the match, since it is just pressed up against the tower

[IKE]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So Zebracorn cheesecake?[1]



[1] If Chicago can have it's own pizza[2] why can't Team 900 have their own cheesecake?

[2] Which I still hold is not real pizza [3]


[3] And I may be fine with people putting whatever they want ON their pizza I am NOT ok with people making their pizza that thick. It's an abomination!

You certainly have odd tastes Mr Schreiber:

Suggests Zebracorn Cheesecake yet does not like Chicago style pizza*.


*Let's be honest, it is less about the thickness, and more about being required to hang out with other hungry humans for 45 minutes to an hour in order to get a pizza specially designed to require sharing... which hits 3 A. Schreiber pet peeves: people, waiting, sharing

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So Zebracorn cheesecake?[1]



[1] If Chicago can have it's own pizza[2] why can't Team 900 have their own cheesecake?

[2] Which I still hold is not real pizza [3]


[3] And I may be fine with people putting whatever they want ON their pizza I am NOT ok with people making their pizza that thick. It's an abomination!

I invite you to come try our pizza in person. Maybe then you will be able to understand it better.

[GreyingJay]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

So Zebracorn cheesecake?[1]

I think it only counts as Zebracorn Cheesecake if the receiving team builds it themselves.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I invite you to come try our pizza in person. Maybe then you will be able to understand it better.

While not something you have every night, you do have to experience the Lou Malnotti's butter crust just once to be amazed.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

While not something you have every night, you do have to experience the Lou Malnotti's butter crust just once to be amazed.

It has been too long since my last visit to the Midwest Regional.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by JamesCH95

by definition frame perimeters cannot be convex.

By definition, all robot frame perimeters are convex.

R2 blue box:

To determine the FRAME PERIMETER, wrap a piece of string around the ROBOT at the BUMPER ZONE described in R22. The string describes this polygon.

[rick.oliver]

I don't understand how this robot design and the strategy of stopping low goal scoring meets the definition of a Choke-hold.

A choke-hold strategy is one, when executed effectively, guarantees a win, regardless of what the opposition does.

[IronicDeadBird]

You blocked points from goals but can't you still get points from sweeping and puppy guarding the secret passage?

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

I don't understand how this robot design and the strategy of stopping low goal scoring meets the definition of a Choke-hold.

A choke-hold strategy is one, when executed effectively, guarantees a win, regardless of what the opposition does.

Actually the definition of choke hold is - absolute dominance or control

This strategy allows dominance over the low goal controlling the alliance into not scoring any.

It definitly could be debated whether this would be effective especially in elims but by definition this is a choke hold strategy.

[JamesCH95]

Originally Posted by Ether

By definition, all robot frame perimeters are convex.

R2 blue box:

You are of course correct, I had been picturing concave in my head. My mistake.

[marshall]

Originally Posted by Ether

By definition, all robot frame perimeters are convex.

LOL!!!!

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

It definitly could be debated whether this would be effective especially in elims but by definition this is a choke hold strategy.

At lower levels, the top seeded alliance is often formed by 2 fast low goal cyclers. I had GTCR in mind, when we lost in semis to 1511 and 2601, 2 low goal shooters, and where the top seed was 3683, with an incredibly fast cycler as well. I agree it's useless against teams that shoot high goal from anywhere else than the batter

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU

At lower levels, the top seeded alliance is often formed by 2 fast low goal cyclers. I had GTCR in mind, when we lost in semis to 1511 and 2601, 2 low goal shooters, and where the top seed was 3683, with an incredibly fast cycler as well. I agree it's useless against teams that shoot high goal from anywhere else than the batter

Do not forget that was a week 1 competition. At this point most winning alliances score mostly high goals.

What scares me about something like this is, it is actually worse then a kitbot in a high goal scenario. This thing could not defend for the life of it and, it will end up wasting the single robot in the courtyard rule being I do not even think this thing could climb over the secret passage lip.

Its a cool idea but I do not see it being practical, or useful after further examination.

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Do not forget that was a week 1 competition. At this point most winning alliances score mostly high goals.

What scares me about something like this is, it is actually worse then a kitbot in a high goal scenario. This thing could not defend for the life of it and, it will end up wasting the single robot in the courtyard rule being I do not even think this thing could climb over the secret passage lip.

Its a cool idea but I do not see it being practical, or useful after further examination.

we have a live prototype on our practice field. no problem going in/out of the secret passage. And yes, there is a few scenarios where a kitbot could do better, which is one of the reasons we will not be doing this