Championship Waitlist

[Justin Montois]

48 is registered and they have not qualified at their events so waitlist teams must be getting in.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Justin Montois

48 is registered and they have not qualified at their events so waitlist teams must be getting in.

There are a few others as well. For example, 3637 from MAR is already shown as registered for STL, as is 2767 from Michigan.

[logank013]

When is the full list of waitlist teams usually posted? Thhe INDCMPS is Week 7 this year. I'd like to know any IN teams qualified via the waitlist before then. Will it be known before then?

Last year, two IN teams were known during the week 6 event so I assume yes?

Bonus: Does anyone have a link to a list of teams that qualified via the waitlist? I'm curious if FIRST keeps that specific list on their website. Thanks.

Edit: Also, if anyone does find a list of waitlist teams that have qualified via the waitlist in the later weeks, please post it on this thread too. Thanks.

[Kevin Leonard]

2791 hasn't been to Champs since 2009, and they have the best robot they've ever built. If 2791 doesn't get in off the waitlist to the last real championship, I don't know what criteria even exists for this.

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

I don't know what criteria even exists for this.

No criteria? It's a weighted randomization:

Originally Posted by http://www.firstinspires.org/sites/default/files/uploads/resource_library/frc/registration/2016/championship-eligibility-criteria.pdf

Teams may join the Championship Waitlist to fill any remaining
FIRST Championship slots not consumed by qualifying Regional or District teams. Teams who sign up for the Waitlist will be randomly selected at various points throughout the season in an effort to give teams as much
time to make travel plans as possible while ensuring we do not exceed FIRST Championship capacity.

...

Teams will receive a number of “entries” to get selected from the Waitlist equal to 2016 minus the last year they attended Championship (or their rookie year, or when they most recently returned as an active team, whichever year is the most recent). As examples, a team that attended
in 2015 will get one entry in the waitlist drawing, a team that last attended in 2014 will get two, and a team that has never attended but has been continuously active since 2006 will get ten.

[forbes]

This is the full list of teams that have been invited via wait list as far as I can tell:
as of 4/2

48
188
279
296
333
538
1389
1739
1987
2471
2647
2767
3055
3637
3961
4405
4792
5034
5243
5775 declined

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by RufflesRidge

No criteria? It's a weighted randomization:

Well thats just it- what you quoted. How is it that 48 is already off the waitlist when they've been to champs almost every year, including last year (no offense to 48, you guys are cool), when 2791 hasn't been since 2009 and isn't. It just seems odd.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Well thats just it- what you quoted. How is it that 48 is already off the waitlist when they've been to champs almost every year, including last year (no offense to 48, you guys are cool), when 2791 hasn't been since 2009 and isn't. It just seems odd.

Agreed we have not ever made championships and have been a team since 2009. I wish it was a little less random but oh well.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by forbes

This is the full list of teams that have been invited via wait list as far as I can tell:
as of 4/2

48
188
279
296
333
538
1389
1739
1987
2471
2647
2767
3055
3637
3961
4405
4792
5034
5243
5775 declined

How can you tell? And why don't they draw all wait list teams in 1 big drawing on 1 day?

[forbes]

Originally Posted by logank013

How can you tell? And why don't they draw all wait list teams in 1 big drawing on 1 day?

They invite teams as early as possible to give them time to make plans, but they still don't know exactly how many wait list spots there are to give out.

My list is from some interpretation of the data from my website that is tracking the championship registration list: frc.divisions.co/history

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Well thats just it- what you quoted. How is it that 48 is already off the waitlist when they've been to champs almost every year, including last year (no offense to 48, you guys are cool), when 2791 hasn't been since 2009 and isn't. It just seems odd.

Because it's random. If you have 14 teams that went last year on the waitlist, the odds that 1 of them will be picked are twice as high as the odds that a particular team with 7 chances gets picked.

[seg9585]

If a team was invited via waitlist but declined last year, do the number of entries they get in the weighting still depend on their last Championship appearance or is it based on the last invite?

For instance, my team (4276) last attended in 2013 but we were invited and declined in 2015. Do we get 3 entries or 1?

[Mark McLeod]

I'd imagine 3.
The data is much easier to handle just going by past official Championship team lists than having to remember somehow who turned down what and when.

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Justin Montois

48 is registered and they have not qualified at their events so waitlist teams must be getting in.

Technically, we qualified at our event, as we received the email one hour after arrival in Queen City.

We actually should have qualified twice, but whatevz. We're in.

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Well thats just it- what you quoted. How is it that 48 is already off the waitlist when they've been to champs almost every year, including last year (no offense to 48, you guys are cool), when 2791 hasn't been since 2009 and isn't. It just seems odd.

Maybe low-numbered teams are as lucky with lottery randomization as they aren't with schedule randomization.