IN District Championship

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I believe this is wrong. From Section 7.4.4 of the 2016 Admin Manual:



Emphasis mine.

Indiana gets 9 slots to World Champs, not counting Original and Sustaining Team 45. 3 of these 9 slots go to the DCMP Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration, and Rookie All-Star Award Winners, and 3 others go to the Winning Alliance of the DCMP (or 4, if there is a backup robot used). This would leave the remaining 3 slots for the next 3 highest ranked teams in the District. However, 1 of these slots has been taken by Team 868, who won the 2016 Queen City Regional, meaning that there are only 2 slots left for the highest ranked Indiana District teams (or just 1 if a backup robot is on the DCMP winning alliance). No matter what, Indiana will be sending only 10 teams to World Champs, including Team 45 (if I interpret that correctly).

Wow. Learn something new everyday. Isn't that a dumb way to do it though? I mean if 868 won a regional, I feel like they should receive one of the Regional's 6 spots rather than taking away one of IN DCMPS 9 spots since it wasn't earned at the IN DCMPS. Does anyone else agree with me?

So at Queens City Regional, there were 7 teams that qualified to worlds? 6 through the original 6 spots at the Regional and 1 through the IN DCMPS?

What would happen if 4 IN teams won a Regional this year? That'd be an odd situation...

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by efoote868

I'm rooting for my TechHOUNDS... I hope it's not a highest ranked spot they take up

Unfortunately, it is.

Originally Posted by logank013

Isn't that a dumb way to do it though? I mean if 868 won a regional, I feel like they should receive one of the Regional's 6 spots rather than taking away one of IN DCMPS 9 spots since it wasn't earned at the IN DCMPS. Does anyone else agree with me?

Yes (but some people think otherwise)

Originally Posted by logank013

So at Queens City Regional, there were 7 teams that qualified to worlds? 6 through the original 6 spots at the Regional and 1 through the IN DCMPS?

No, only 6 teams qualified for World Champs at Queen City: 3 winners, 3 Qualifying Awards (RCA, EI, RAS). But 868 qualifying for World Champs through Queen City takes away a slot from Indiana's allocated team count at World Champs.

EDIT: The RCA winner at Queen City (1939) was actually already qualified for World Champs via EI at Greater Kansas City, so a wildcard was given to 4028, the captain of the finalist alliance. But still, only 6 teams advanced from Queen City.

Originally Posted by logank013

What would happen if 4 IN teams won a Regional this year? That'd be an odd situation...

It certainly would be.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Hallry

No, only 6 teams qualified for World Champs at Queen City: 3 winners, 3 Qualifying Awards (RCA, EI, RAS). But 868 qualifying for World Champs through Queen City takes away a slot from Indiana's allocated team count at World Champs.

That still isn't adding up then. If there are suppose to be 9 teams from IN and 6 teams from Queen City, That is 15 total. If 868 took 1 of 9 IN Slots, that means that Queens city only sent 5 teams if 868 was apart of that. I figured the wild card that 4028 got was because 868 won...? Either way, Queens city had to have sent 6 other teams other than 868 or 868 didn't take away an IN spot. Things aren't adding up on spots... mass confusion

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by logank013

That still isn't adding up then. If there are suppose to be 9 teams from IN and 6 teams from Queen City, That is 15 total. If 868 took 1 of 9 IN Slots, that means that Queens city only sent 5 teams if 868 was apart of that. I figured the wild card that 4028 got was because 868 won...? Either way, Queens city had to have sent 6 other teams other than 868 or 868 didn't take away an IN spot. Things aren't adding up on spots... mass confusion

The answer is 868 accounted for two spots. One from QCR, one from IN.

One more 'random' team will be pulled from waitlist to counter.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Taylor

The answer is 868 accounted for two spots. One from QCR, one from IN.

One more 'random' team will be pulled from waitlist to counter.

So if a district team wins a qualifying spot at a regional, it creates another wait list spot? I feel like it should either A. not affect the district and that team qualifies through the regional spot. or B. It should add another wild card spot at the regional. This rule makes little sense... haha.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Taylor

One more 'random' team will be pulled from waitlist to counter.

Originally Posted by logank013

So if a district team wins a qualifying spot at a regional, it creates another wait list spot?

I've never heard that this is true. (Misread, read later post below)

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

Here's hoping that 868 wins Chairman's or the event

If 868 wins either Chairman's or is on the Winning Alliance at the Indiana DCMP, then that World Champs qualifying slot is passed on to the next highest ranked team. If they win both, then two ranking slots open up.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I've never heard that this is true.

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?
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Back on topic, here are my predictions:

The finals matches will feature 1024-1747-3559 v 868-1501-3487. From there, flip a coin.

135 will get EI, 1747 will earn Chairman's, 6012 will receive RAS, and the ninth qualifying team will be 461.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Taylor

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?

Waitlist. But I've never heard that they would bias it to a specific District System to try to "counter" teams qualifying via outside Regionals.

Edit: Taylor, I believe I interpreted your original post wrong. For some reason I thought you meant they would pick a random Indiana team from the waitlist to counter, but rereading it I think you just meant any team on the waitlist, which I agree with. Sorry for the confusion.

[Chas4739]

Originally Posted by Taylor

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?
---
Back on topic, here are my predictions:

The finals matches will feature 1024-1747-3559 v 868-1501-3487. From there, flip a coin.

135 will get EI, 1747 will earn Chairman's, 6012 will receive RAS, and the ninth qualifying team will be 461.

I would love to see those finals

[Peyton Yeung]

Originally Posted by Taylor

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?
---
Back on topic, here are my predictions:

The finals matches will feature 1024-1747-3559 v 868-1501-3487. From there, flip a coin.

135 will get EI, 1747 will earn Chairman's, 6012 will receive RAS, and the ninth qualifying team will be 461.

I wouldn't mind this surprisingly.

[Kevin Leonard]

I predict a three-peat of banners for 1024-1747-45.

Also- way to go Indiana for hella stepping it up this year. High scores and awesome matches have become the norm in Indiana- although a little defense this weekend could shake it up.

[Theseusgoats]

Granted there hasn't been that much effective defense played, teams like 1501, 1024, and 4982 have showed that they can still score high while defense is being played.

Plus, I don't see 45 lasting long enough for a nber one seed anymore. They have been an absolute steal both times.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I've never heard that this is true.



If 868 wins either Chairman's or is on the Winning Alliance at the Indiana DCMP, then that World Champs qualifying slot is passed on to the next highest ranked team. If they win both, then two ranking slots open up.

Yeah. Same applies if 6012 wins the event or the EI winner also wins the event. Also applies if a wait list team wins the event or a qualifying award (like 135 did last year by wait listing and winning Chairman's).

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Taylor

No, the same doesn't apply. Indiana is GUARANTEED 10 spots at CMP. One of them is 45, one of them is now 868. If 6012 pulls the double, then the next highest-ranking Indiana team takes their vacated spot.

That was what I was talking about when I posted that. IF 6012 or the EI winner also wins the event (double banner), it would add to the "next-in" spots in Indiana. By "next-in", I mean the next highest teams by ranking points. Sorry if that was said unclear.

[MechEng83]

From the 2013 thread on district teams competing at regionals:

Originally Posted by MechEng83

I'm ok with a district slot being taken when a team wins at a regional. I'm in Indiana, sitting on the outside of districts, but we're possibly headed for district play in 2015. Here's my reasoning:

The number of bids a district gets to the championship is supposed to be proportional to the number of teams it has within the district. District teams are allowed to play outside their district in a regional. Non-district teams are not permitted to play in a district event. Essentially, the opportunity exists for a district team to "steal" a non-district slot and in the past there was no reciprocal arrangement. This method ensures a more even distribution of teams. Note: teams from districts are still be eligible for the Championship through the waitlist, just like non-district teams. It is practically impossible to create a completely "fair" system, but I feel like this system is more fair than the previous policy.

For reference, I believe the previous policy was that the district got to keep the extra spots if the team that qualified in a regional didn't compete in the district championship (and or did, but didn't qualify there).