IN District Championship

[Ben Martin]

Originally Posted by logank013

Wow. Learn something new everyday. Isn't that a dumb way to do it though? I mean if 868 won a regional, I feel like they should receive one of the Regional's 6 spots rather than taking away one of IN DCMPS 9 spots since it wasn't earned at the IN DCMPS. Does anyone else agree with me?

So at Queens City Regional, there were 7 teams that qualified to worlds? 6 through the original 6 spots at the Regional and 1 through the IN DCMPS?

What would happen if 4 IN teams won a Regional this year? That'd be an odd situation...

There has been discussion of this reverse wildcard outcome in MAR threads since they introduced it in 2014. There has been less grumbling about this in the last two years--mostly in my opinion because championships has grown 50%, making it easier to qualify. Now that we have >25 slots and people can come off the waitlist, people feel like there is a good shot--when it was less than 20, people got nervous. I'm sure it's worse for you guys.

BTW, rooting hard for 1747 to bring home two more banners!

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by logank013

That still isn't adding up then. If there are suppose to be 9 teams from IN and 6 teams from Queen City, That is 15 total. If 868 took 1 of 9 IN Slots, that means that Queens city only sent 5 teams if 868 was apart of that. I figured the wild card that 4028 got was because 868 won...? Either way, Queens city had to have sent 6 other teams other than 868 or 868 didn't take away an IN spot. Things aren't adding up on spots... mass confusion

You're right, basically one of Indiana's slots goes poof. 868 took a slot from Queen City by winning, but also took an Indiana slot by being from Indiana. Queen City sends 6 teams, including 868, and Indiana gets to send 9 (+ Team 45), also including 868.

[Kpchem]

Originally Posted by logank013

That still isn't adding up then. If there are suppose to be 9 teams from IN and 6 teams from Queen City, That is 15 total. If 868 took 1 of 9 IN Slots, that means that Queens city only sent 5 teams if 868 was apart of that. I figured the wild card that 4028 got was because 868 won...? Either way, Queens city had to have sent 6 other teams other than 868 or 868 didn't take away an IN spot. Things aren't adding up on spots... mass confusion

Queen City sent 6 teams, one of which is 868. Because 868 is a part of the IN District System, they also count against the 9 teams they are allocated. Effectively they are taking 2 slots to Worlds, one from Queen City and one from Indiana. Most likely that other slot will be filled be a waitlist team.

The situation is similar to 2522 this year (Member of the PNW District System and won EI at the Hawai'i Regional)

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Taylor

The answer is 868 accounted for two spots. One from QCR, one from IN.

One more 'random' team will be pulled from waitlist to counter.

So if a district team wins a qualifying spot at a regional, it creates another wait list spot? I feel like it should either A. not affect the district and that team qualifies through the regional spot. or B. It should add another wild card spot at the regional. This rule makes little sense... haha.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Taylor

One more 'random' team will be pulled from waitlist to counter.

Originally Posted by logank013

So if a district team wins a qualifying spot at a regional, it creates another wait list spot?

I've never heard that this is true. (Misread, read later post below)

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

Here's hoping that 868 wins Chairman's or the event

If 868 wins either Chairman's or is on the Winning Alliance at the Indiana DCMP, then that World Champs qualifying slot is passed on to the next highest ranked team. If they win both, then two ranking slots open up.

[Taylor]

It makes perfect sense.

Ohio folks are probably pretty salty about this district team - who, from their perspective, won't even let them play in its own state in-season - 'stealing' a CMP position from QCR.
So HQ has put in place a way to discourage district teams from playing in regionals. They just stopped short of completely disallowing it.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I've never heard that this is true.

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?
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Back on topic, here are my predictions:

The finals matches will feature 1024-1747-3559 v 868-1501-3487. From there, flip a coin.

135 will get EI, 1747 will earn Chairman's, 6012 will receive RAS, and the ninth qualifying team will be 461.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I've never heard that this is true.



If 868 wins either Chairman's or is on the Winning Alliance at the Indiana DCMP, then that World Champs qualifying slot is passed on to the next highest ranked team. If they win both, then two ranking slots open up.

Yeah. Same applies if 6012 wins the event or the EI winner also wins the event. Also applies if a wait list team wins the event or a qualifying award (like 135 did last year by wait listing and winning Chairman's).

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Taylor

600 teams go to CMP. If not from the waitlist, where would you find another team?

Waitlist. But I've never heard that they would bias it to a specific District System to try to "counter" teams qualifying via outside Regionals.

Edit: Taylor, I believe I interpreted your original post wrong. For some reason I thought you meant they would pick a random Indiana team from the waitlist to counter, but rereading it I think you just meant any team on the waitlist, which I agree with. Sorry for the confusion.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Taylor

It makes perfect sense.

Ohio folks are probably pretty salty about this district team - who, from their perspective, won't even let them play in its own state in-season - 'stealing' a CMP position from QCR.
So HQ has put in place a way to discourage district teams from playing in regionals. They just stopped short of completely disallowing it.

I mean I guess this makes sense. If they allowed 868 to take a regional spot and not take an IN spot, then they'd have to allow, for instance, a Michigan team to be allowed to qualify for an IN DCMP spot and maybe take a worlds spot through IN DCMP. But I still want to know what FIRST would do if 4 IN Teams won a regional. Would they take a Winner spot away or an award spot away? I don't think it's ever been thought about too much.

[BoilerMentor]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

Here's hoping that 868 wins Chairman's or the event

What about your alumni team? Don't you want them to win too?

[logank013]

So, what I'm hearing now is hoping that 868, 45, 6012, or the EI Winner also wins the event? It would add 3 spots to the "next-in" spot of IN since 868 already took a spot in the "next-in" category, 45 already qualified to worlds outside of IN, and 6012 has to win the Rookie All Star Award. Let's root for this alliance if you want to add more "next-in" spots .

[efoote868]

Originally Posted by logank013

I mean I guess this makes sense. If they allowed 868 to take a regional spot and not take an IN spot, then they'd have to allow, for instance, a Michigan team to be allowed to qualify for an IN DCMP spot and maybe take a worlds spot through IN DCMP. But I still want to know what FIRST would do if 4 IN Teams won a regional. Would they take a Winner spot away or an award spot away? I don't think it's ever been thought about too much.

If 4 IN Teams won a regional, odds are pretty good that there would be overlap on the winning alliance for IN DCMP.

If Indiana were to have 12 teams qualify outside of districts, I'd guess that the district ranking points wouldn't matter and that only the 3 award winners and 3 tournament winners could get in.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Taylor

No, the same doesn't apply. Indiana is GUARANTEED 10 spots at CMP. One of them is 45, one of them is now 868. If 6012 pulls the double, then the next highest-ranking Indiana team takes their vacated spot.

That was what I was talking about when I posted that. IF 6012 or the EI winner also wins the event (double banner), it would add to the "next-in" spots in Indiana. By "next-in", I mean the next highest teams by ranking points. Sorry if that was said unclear.

[MechEng83]

From the 2013 thread on district teams competing at regionals:

Originally Posted by MechEng83

I'm ok with a district slot being taken when a team wins at a regional. I'm in Indiana, sitting on the outside of districts, but we're possibly headed for district play in 2015. Here's my reasoning:

The number of bids a district gets to the championship is supposed to be proportional to the number of teams it has within the district. District teams are allowed to play outside their district in a regional. Non-district teams are not permitted to play in a district event. Essentially, the opportunity exists for a district team to "steal" a non-district slot and in the past there was no reciprocal arrangement. This method ensures a more even distribution of teams. Note: teams from districts are still be eligible for the Championship through the waitlist, just like non-district teams. It is practically impossible to create a completely "fair" system, but I feel like this system is more fair than the previous policy.

For reference, I believe the previous policy was that the district got to keep the extra spots if the team that qualified in a regional didn't compete in the district championship (and or did, but didn't qualify there).