IN District Championship

[bam-bam]

I actually wrote quite a bit about the teams in Indiana after the end of Perry and what to expect. Granted, it was a tad too long for just a summarized post...

At this point in the season, it's so much more important to capture the tower once it goes down for capture. We saw this happen at Perry when 71-1501-829-6012 nearly managed to take down 1024-1747-45 in the finals off of 71's and 1501's double capture. What's more impressive, however, that 1501 was the only team that scored in the high goal on their alliance.

That being said, I feel that 1501 and 4103 will go 1-2 in alliance selections. There's a few reasons specific to captains for choosing one over the other, but those two are the most proven as far as scoring and scaling go. I don't anything about any of the other teams adding a scaling mechanism.

Scary pair-ups: 1501, 4103, 868, 1024, 1747, 135, and 4982
Solid picks: 461, 234, 1741
The ones left over you better take: 71, 1529, 2197, 3147, 3940, 5403

5484 could possible surprise.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by bam-bam

I actually wrote quite a bit about the teams in Indiana after the end of Perry and what to expect. Granted, it was a tad too long for just a summarized post...

At this point in the season, it's so much more important to capture the tower once it goes down for capture. We saw this happen at Perry when 71-1501-829-6012 nearly managed to take down 1024-1747-45 in the finals off of 71's and 1501's double capture. What's more impressive, however, that 1501 was the only team that scored in the high goal on their alliance.

That being said, I feel that 1501 and 4103 will go 1-2 in alliance selections. There's a few reasons specific to captains for choosing one over the other, but those two are the most proven as far as scoring and scaling go. I don't anything about any of the other teams adding a scaling mechanism.

Scary pair-ups: 1501, 4103, 868, 1024, 1747, 135, and 4982
Solid picks: 461, 234, 1741
The ones left over you better take: 71, 1529, 2197, 3147, 3940, 5403

5484 could possible surprise.

My guess is that 71 may end up ranking first again, since they can facilitate a breach and capture with minimal help from alliance partners (They and 1747 are both great at this, which is why they ranked 1-2 at Perry).

Your list looks pretty accurate otherwise, but I would also add 3176 to the list of teams to look out for. They were the only successful Indiana team (from what I can tell) at defense, when they shut down 1747's high goals in the Walker Warren quarterfinals, and if they can maintain their defensive prowess, they will be high on the pick lists as well.

[bam-bam]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

My guess is that 71 may end up ranking first again, since they can facilitate a breach and capture with minimal help from alliance partners (They and 1747 are both great at this, which is why they ranked 1-2 at Perry).

Your list looks pretty accurate otherwise, but I would also add 3176 to the list of teams to look out for. They were the only successful Indiana team (from what I can tell) at defense, when they shut down 1747's high goals in the Walker Warren quarterfinals, and if they can maintain their defensive prowess, they will be high on the pick lists as well.

3176's lack of ball control is stopping me from putting them on my personal list, but I understand the reasoning why otherwise. They'd be a steal if they were left in the second round.

[carpedav000]

May be too early for some REALLY bold predictions, but here it goes:

1.) 71, 868, 6012
2.) 1501, 1747, 447
3.) 4103, 1741, 2197
4.) 1024, 4982, 3176
5.) 135, 461, 3180
6.) 3940, 292, 2171
7.) 3559, 1529, 45
8.) 234, 1720, 3147


QF 1 begins with the #1 seed setting the record score of the event against the #8 seed. In the second match, the #8 seed absolutely kills it and is able to edge out the #1 seed. In the third match, it seems as if the #1 seed is going to semifinals until 71 drops from the bar and rolls off the batter. #8 advances to semifinals.

QF 2 ends with the #4 seed going 2/2, with the #5 seed almost taking it to a third match. #4 advances to semifinals.

QF 3 begins with #6 upsetting #3 due to 2197 not making it to the batter, but they get it together and the #3 alliance wins their next 2 matches and almost tie the high score. #3 advances to semifinals.

QF 4 sees the #2 seed go 2/2 against the #7 seed, who put out all they had but came just short of getting the third match. #2 advances to semifinals.

In SF 1 the #4 seed shows just how awesome they are at putting up points, breaking the event high score and moving on to finals, and the #8 seed ain't even mad. #4 advances to finals.

SF 2 begins with the #2 seed absolutely wiping the floor with the #4 seed, but 1501's shooter jams and it has to be taken to a third match. This third match is almost as exciting as F 3 at Waterloo. The match begins with 1501 and 1747 both hitting their 20pt autonomous routines, but 447 gets their intake jammed in the low bar. Meanwhile, 4103 and 1741 both hit their 20pt autonomous routines that don't exist and 2197 hits their 10pt routine. The score going in to teleop is 42-50. Teleop sees 447 get unjammed and immediately begin scoring low goal and 2197 go over to play defense. The match goes on and ends with a TIE. #3 advances on auto points.

Finals sees 3176 with a cheesecake climber, but that climber is their undoing in the end. They slide off the batter in both matches leaving the #3 seed 2/2. #3 wins.


NOTE: I mean no offense to any teams in my predictions. It says REALLY bold for a reason

[logank013]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

My guess is that 71 may end up ranking first again, since they can facilitate a breach and capture with minimal help from alliance partners (They and 1747 are both great at this, which is why they ranked 1-2 at Perry).

Your list looks pretty accurate otherwise, but I would also add 3176 to the list of teams to look out for. They were the only successful Indiana team (from what I can tell) at defense, when they shut down 1747's high goals in the Walker Warren quarterfinals, and if they can maintain their defensive prowess, they will be high on the pick lists as well.

71 could end up first but so could so many others. The deal breaker at this competition isn't the ability to capture. I can bet that with the quality of teams at IN DCMP, almost 100% of matches will breach and near 75%+ will capture. Winning is far more important than ever at this event. Now 71's extra 10 points on the climber is helpful, but I'm betting that many good high goal shooters will be able to climb. I could see 1501 ranking really well because of all the high goals they can do in a match and the added climb ability. If 1024, 1747, or any other 4-5+ high goal a match robots have a climber, they should rank really well at this event too. Now a climber isn't a guaranteed win but those extra points help a lot. I'm curious to see if any other teams beside 1501 get a climber and high goal auto for IN DCMP. With that said, not to talk down about 71 because they have a really solid robot, but I'm not sure how much they will win with all the high goal shooters they have to go against at this event... Definitely bold prediction on my part. Will be interesting to see the rankings. IN is such an odd place because of our really successful capture and break rate. I bet that a lot of other places' ranks will be determined by team capture and breach rate and less about winning. But IN I bet will be determined in many ways by W-L-T.

[Theseusgoats]

My guesses for alliance selection are
1) 1747-1024-2197
2) 1501-4982-45
3) 868-4103-447
4) 135-4613147
5) 234-71-4580
6) 1741-3940-1018
7) 3947-1720-1529
8) 292-5403-5484

Semi-finals
- 1 and 5 face off and 2 and 3 face off

Finals
- 1 and 2 play and 2 somehow pulls an upset (even though it hurts me to say it)

[Theseusgoats]

Also, to add, I figured out that we really have a lot of pretty good high goal shooters
(In order)
1024
1747
1501
4982
868
461
135
4103
234
1741
1720

[Peyton Yeung]

Originally Posted by Theseusgoats

Also, to add, I figured out that we really have a lot of pretty good high goal shooters
(In order)
1024
1747
1501
4982
868
135
4103
234
1741
1720

We feel so left out...

[Theseusgoats]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

We feel so left out...

Apologizies, of course you guys are included.

[BigBen]

My order of high goal shooters, had to put the consistent auto high on top:

1501 - Can hit from multiple area of courtyard with turret, even hitting shots while under strong defense
1747 - Ridiculous hard straight shot, no problem from outer works
234 - When dialed in, they are really good at hitting high, was consistent shot in last competition
1024 - Most consistent shot in teleop with the photon cannon aim from outer works, but must wait for boulder to settle, expect them to have either auto and/or ball control issue solved
4982 - Really consistent shot, but must go up by batter to be consistent
868 - Really improved in Queen City, solid robot, but like 4982 seems to need to be middle courtyard for shot
135 - 461 - 1720 - 1741 - 4103 - All hitting good high shots, maybe not as fast or consistent as the ones above, but have had a lot of time to improve. Crazy to say that any of these are "bottom of list" as they are all strong robots with the possibility to lead a winning alliance.

Of course then you need to also include the strong non-high goal scoring, defense specialist, low goal teams of 71, 3559, 5403, 1529, 1018, 3940, 3176, 3936 all equally capable of heading winning alliances.

I feel like there are so many teams that I did not mention.

When you factor in the consistency that in general the IN teams had with handling defenses, the fact that a number of teams had climbing as the one thing planned between their last competition and the IN District Championship, three weeks to engineer solutions (of course only 2 for 868 ), I cannot wait to see the level of competition and the percentage of breaches and captures.

All I can say is this is going to be an awesome competition to watch.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Theseusgoats

Also, to add, I figured out that we really have a lot of pretty good high goal shooters
(In order)
1024
1747
1501
4982
868
461
135
4103
234
1741
1720

Just thinking about it, I think I've seen every team in that list except 1720 do 5 high goals or more in at least 1 match. Just to think... That's Indiana right there. That's 10 of 49 teams. What other places can say that 20% of their teams have done 5 high goals in a match before? That's pretty impressive.

[Theseusgoats]

Indiana is really strong this year no matter how you put it. I can see Indiana getting back on Einstein this year.

[Chas4739]

Originally Posted by Theseusgoats

Indiana is really strong this year no matter how you put it. I can see Indiana getting back on Einstein this year.

Agreed, there's plenty of teams that could get there this year