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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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When I returned on Saturday morning to the event, I had noticed that all the flyers I had posted about districts had been taken down. No other flyers, which had been taped up in a nearly identical fashion, had been removed. Thinking that there might have been simply a misunderstanding, I put up the remaining flyers I had during alliance selection. By the end of the lunchtime break, most of these had been removed as well. All other flyers that teams had posted were still hanging. No member of the RPC that I had spoken with, neither before nor during the event, had expressed to me that anything about the flyer was wrong or that I was breaking any venue or event rules by putting up the flyers.
I just wanted to address this point specifically - sorry it took so long, but with everyone suffering from "event hangover", tracking down details takes a while. No one on the RPC (myself included) issued any instructions to take down the flyers. It seems that the facilities people at the U of MN took them down as they weren't "event relevant". All those other flyers you mention they did see as event relevant - from what I saw at the event, they were all safety posters and posters related to the SWEet Eats event on Friday. Personally, I never even saw the flyers - one was never handed to me, I never saw any posted anywhere at North Star, the facilities people must have gotten to them beforehand.
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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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I'm surprised about how the RPC didn't promote the mentor roundtable, yet expected mentors to show up. I was there all 3 days and didn't hear anything about this. If you hold a mentor roundtable, you need to promote it like crazy and get a majority of the mentors there. Maybe something at the state championship would be a better place to have the discussion, which it sounds like it may be happening.
I do remember hearing an announcement in the pits about it once. Just once. I may have missed any others because it was so loud in there, but they did announce it at least one time. I don't know if they announced it in the arena or not.
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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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As its been pointed out it shouldn't be a problem with where most teams in MN are located. Typically districts pop up within 15 minutes of previous events with more in between. We used to have three regionals within an hour of us and now we have five districts in that same vicinity.
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MN is mostly rural. Minneapolis/St/ Paul is the largest with Rochester, Bloomington (actually a Cities suburb) and Duluth being the largest cities.
Minnesota is actually larger than Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine combined. To give you an idea, one team that attended Duluth is three hours north near the Canadian border. Another is in International Falls and two near Bemidji. All are about three hours drive on two lane roads. Much longer when weather is bad. My neice took about 5 hours to travel that distance to attend Duluth in snow.
There have been attempts to get a regional in Rochester or nearby.
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Personally, I never even saw the flyers - one was never handed to me, I never saw any posted anywhere at North Star, the facilities people must have gotten to them beforehand.
Strange, I spoke to one of your pit members for about 3-4 minutes and handed her a flyer while you were in the pit.
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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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Strange, I spoke to one of your pit members and handed her a flyer while you were in the pit.
Yes, I heard you talking with her, but I was a bit busy and didn't actually see the flyer. I know after you left she mentioned that she wasn't really terribly interested in districts, but I didn't have time to stick around for any further discussion.
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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

Anybody who thinks districts are bad either doesn't understand them, doesn't want to put in the effort for a better system, or in some way gets unfair personal gain from the regional system that they don't want to give up. Anybody in this thread arguing against Knufire is no exception to this.

If you feel you don't fit this bill, then show me your progress on the effort you've put forth into transitioning your area to the district system. Everybody knows it's a multi-year process, but you can't claim it's a challenge better saved for a later date if you haven't even started working towards it yet.

The best time to start considerations on how to transition your area into a district system is yesterday. The second best time is today.
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I've been told that 80 of the teams in MN are from the cities and the surrounding suburbs. That leaves the majority of the teams from anywhere from international falls to Albert Lea. There will be travel involved for most teams. But likely one event would be close to their geographic area... So they'd be traveling to one event (which is what they do now).


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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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I've been told that 80 of the teams in MN are from the cities and the surrounding suburbs. That leaves the majority of the teams from anywhere from international falls to Albert Lea. There will be travel involved for most teams. But likely one event would be close to their geographic area... So they'd be traveling to one event (which is what they do now).


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A quick geographic study of team locations and placing "events" in various areas could tell you pretty quickly the impact of districts to team travel. We did this for California a few years ago.

*EDIT* Here is a simple breakdown of 2014 CA Teams by county.

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A quick geographic study of team locations and placing "events" in various areas could tell you pretty quickly the impact of districts to team travel. We did this for California a few years ago.

*EDIT* Here is a simple breakdown of 2014 CA Teams by county.

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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

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I've been told that 80 of the teams in MN are from the cities and the surrounding suburbs. That leaves the majority of the teams from anywhere from international falls to Albert Lea. There will be travel involved for most teams. But likely one event would be close to their geographic area... So they'd be traveling to one event (which is what they do now).


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I don't know how up-to-date this is, but here are team locations for MN and the surrounding area.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...s.kXz5_NH-_LbQ
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I don't know how up-to-date this is, but here are team locations for MN and the surrounding area.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...s.kXz5_NH-_LbQ
It has rookie teams on the map. Looks up-to-date to me.
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It has rookie teams on the map. Looks up-to-date to me.
It is somewhat misleading however-- multiple teams from the same city are only shown as a single flag. For example, I know there are 12-ish teams in Minneapolis, 2 in Eagan, 2 in Apple Valley. After I finish my school project I'll get to coming up with something more accurate.
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Yes, I heard you talking with her, but I was a bit busy and didn't actually see the flyer. I know after you left she mentioned that she wasn't really terribly interested in districts, but I didn't have time to stick around for any further discussion.
I'd be super interested in learning why a current student wouldn't be interested in districts!

Back when I was a student, and the district model was being introduced in Michigan and discussed within MAR, I was also pretty naive and thought it was literally the worst thing to happen to FRC because I liked the flashy large regionals and didn't think through the entire impact of the model.

I'm really glad I gave it a chance within MAR and learned to love districts, and now the students I have worked with love them as well!
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I'd be super interested in learning why a current student wouldn't be interested in districts!
Well, she's well informed in how the team works and our budget each year. The team very much enjoys traveling for an event, so having two local events to go to isn't a big draw. We already do two events events each year, so getting two for the district registration isn't that big of a deal. With the team's goals, we would want to make it to the District Champs each year, which would keep our registration costs the same they are now. Fewer teams means less time between matches, and she enjoys spending that time actually working on the robot. Sure, more matches is great, but there are benefits to regionals for some teams/individuals as well.
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Re: Experience promoting districts in Minnesota

After seeing all the MN moving to districts talk, I can get that it would be a massive undertaking to get to districts. My question comes from the other side of the argument. What happens if we don't move to districts? Here are some fun facts.

Northern Lights - 60 teams
Lake Superior - 63 teams
10000 Lakes - 63 teams
North Star - 60 teams
Iowa - 21 Minnesota teams
Amount of regionals with more teams than 63 - 5 (64, 64, 66, 66, 66)
Percent of teams at the 4 MN regionals from Minnesota - 89%

I think that most people that have been following the threads realize that there would be quite a bit of work and money needed to move to districts. But what happens when MN First keeps growing... even if we maxed out at 66 teams and no other teams went to 2 regionals; right now with every thing the way it is we could add 18 teams...
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