FRC 71 2002 Marching technique

[Collin Fultz]

Originally Posted by Amanda Morrison

But most relevant to this thread, the inimitable and incredible Woodie Flowers Award winner, Mr. Bill, once again predicts the future: https://youtu.be/CuFlA3Pt4HQ?t=2014

Thanks for the videos, Amanda! Nice blast from the past.

In the 234 brainstorming that year, we were discussing how to best grab ONE goal and 234's lead mentor Scott Ritchie said, "Wait until you see Hammond with a robot walking down the field juggling all three goals." He was half right...

[simpsonboy77]

[quote=AllenGregoryIV;1571393]Or to be touching the carpet./QUOTE]

I was CSAing at that event, and it was later found out to be illegal as per G7.

When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH

FIRST said that on implies physically touching the carpet.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by simpsonboy77

I was CSAing at that event, and it was later found out to be illegal as per G7.

When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH

FIRST said that on implies physically touching the carpet.

And they tell us not to lawyer the rules.

[z_beeblebrox]

We've changed withholding allowance rules thanks to this thread.

[ratdude747]

Here's some other infamous "rule-making teams" that come to mind, both from 2014:

254/1114/others- Cheezy Vision (which was open-released for champs, IIRC used by a lot of teams) and whaterver the name of the kinect-based system used by 1114. For those who weren't in FIRST then, it was a system using a camera on the operator console (laptop integrated webcam or kinect) that could read subtle hand positions during autonomus (cheezy vision used hands on your belly) as a means of external control. The following year, this rule showed up:

Originally Posted by Archived 2015 game manual

G21 During AUTO, DRIVE TEAMS must not directly or indirectly interact with ROBOTS or OPERATOR CONSOLES.

VIOLATION: FOUL and YELLOW CARD

FIRST salutes the creative and innovative ways in which Teams have interacted with their ROBOTS during AUTO in previous seasons, making the AUTO period more of a hybrid period due to indirect interaction with the OPERATOR CONSOLE. The RECYCLE RUSH AUTO Period, however, is meant to be truly autonomous and ROBOT or OPERATOR CONSOLE interaction (such as through webcam or Kinect™) are prohibited.

Still, it was fun watching the autonomous duelling between 1114 (in the goalie zone) and 254 on Einstien finals in 2014. Battle of the hybrids.


1902- Batteries as ballast. This incident is already well documented on CD, and I'll summarize it briefly. 1902 was going to play defense in eliminations (#1 alliance) at the 2014 Orlando regional, and in order to help with weight distribution (presumably), they removed their manipulator and needed to add some ballast. Due to some reason (convenience?) they chose to use a 2nd battery for said weight, as it was technically legal if you read the rules a certain way. They were re-inspected, and went on to win both Qual matches. However, the #8 alliance had questions about using such ballast, and upon asking HQ they were controversially red carded retroactivley in both matches and eliminated from the eliminations. Once again, in the 2015 rules, this appeared:

Originally Posted by Archived 2015 game manual

R21 No batteries other than those allowed per R20 are allowed on the ROBOT, whether or not they are being used to supply power.

This means teams may not use additional batteries as extra weight on their ROBOTS, for example.

That rule is also in this year's manual, with IIRC the same wording.

[thatnameistaken]

Derailed thread is derailed, but this is a fun discussion.

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

What was the plan in that match? I'm so confused.

As someone who was there and talking with 87's driveteam before and after the match, the plan was for both of them to cross the rough terrain in auto. This was the only way that combination of robots could get all three crossings*. Unfortunately, however, 816 ended up having a broken gearbox; it's actually still unknown if they could've driven with 87's weight.

*IIRC. This was over three weeks ago.

[BenHildy]

Originally Posted by Taylor

There are several teams in that club. The don't flip robots rule is another (I don't remember the team but I believe they were from FL), as well as the robots can't start on top of each other rule (111). We claim partial responsibility for the cylindrical extrusions beyond frame perimeter rule.

I'm very curious to see Wildstang's rule invention... When did this happen? What game? What purpose did starting on top of another robot serve? It all sounds so interesting!

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by BenHildy

I'm very curious to see Wildstang's rule invention... When did this happen? What game? What purpose did starting on top of another robot serve? It all sounds so interesting!

If I remember correctly:

In 2007 the endgame was to elevate other robots off the floor, usually using platforms or ramps that robots would fold out and/or lift up.

In one match, 111 was with 2 robots that either weren't working properly or something similar... so they put one robot on top of the other in the starting zone (which is where you had to do the endgame), in order to get the bonus elevation points at the end of the match.

[BenHildy]

Originally Posted by BigJ

If I remember correctly:

In 2007 the endgame was to elevate other robots off the floor, usually using platforms or ramps that robots would fold out and/or lift up.

In one match, 111 was with 2 robots that either weren't working properly or something similar... so they put one robot on top of the other in the starting zone (which is where you had to do the endgame), in order to get the bonus elevation points at the end of the match.

Thanks! I'm going to try and find some footage. Also just discovered the beauty that was their 2004 robot. Truly amazing design.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by BenHildy

Thanks! I'm going to try and find some footage. Also just discovered the beauty that was their 2004 robot. Truly amazing design.

Here is video of that match: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2007il_qm42

[BenHildy]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Here is video of that match: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2007il_qm42

Thanks! Looks so strange. I wish I could've been in FRC in the "days before the rules"

[Kellen Hill]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

And they tell us not to lawyer the rules.

I had the idea to "lawyer" that rule last year for can grabbing.



When "placed" on the field a robot had to meet these requirements. But there is time between when a robot is placed on the field and when the match starts. Why not have a mechanism slowly lower to just over the can after it has been placed on the field? After my robot is "placed", I see no reason why it couldn't then reach into the Landfill Zone.

I tried a couple of times on Q&A to get them to define "placed", but they didn't bite. Pitched the idea to my brother and a few others but nobody ran with it. Probably a good idea. Still fun to think out of the box.

[Breadbocks]

Rules lawyering for last years game wasn't even sporting. If for whatever reason FIRST decides to have another game with 0 interaction between alliances, there's no chance it allows most of the shenanigans that went on. Leaving bits of your robot all over the field tied together with a string to make it legal....