Windows versus Mac

[techhelpbb]

Originally Posted by Toatekua

You can also put linux on the higher end ones to have it work for other things too.

ChromeOS

Chrome OS is an operating system designed by Google and based upon the Linux kernel.

Everyone has their own distribution.

[Toatekua]

Originally Posted by techhelpbb

ChromeOS



Everyone has their own distribution.

There is hardly any linux left in ChromeOS, to be honest. Enough to get people thinking that you can play Steam games and Minecraft on them though, so much that both were added to the FAQ.

[techhelpbb]

Originally Posted by Toatekua

There is hardly any linux left in ChromeOS, to be honest. Enough to get people thinking that you can play Steam games and Minecraft on them though, so much that both were added to the FAQ.

History of ChromeOS

It just takes a little of the Linux kernel for it to be a distribution and bring with it all the licensing headaches that come in the bundle.

Just like Ubuntu is a fork of Debian Linux.
Just because Ubuntu gets regular updates doesn't mean Debian Linux is going to backport.

So, on the topic, if you are a Linux user you get to constantly play the: 'my distribution is better than your distribution game'.
Go to any user group...bang on a table...and insist Ubuntu is the best Linux if you like starting a technical brawl.
You'll learn a lot about Linux if you can keep up and duck when things get thrown .

Odds are things will get thrown when they take exception (yes this is pun), if not D20 dice, then drinks and sometimes people.
Don't know what D20 dice are: if you don't duck you'll find out .

[Boltman]

Windows 10/Windows Server 2016/Azure

Can't trust Apple to patch MACs (see XARA) Apple has no bug bounty program either. Overpriced as well.

Linux is good for stand alone systems and devices plus Web servers

[techhelpbb]

Originally Posted by Boltman

Can't trust Apple to patch MACs (see XARA) Apple has no bug bounty program either. Overpriced as well.

I think it's interesting you think Microsoft's track record is better for patches than Apples.
Considering the proliferation of known threats in the Windows ecosystem.

In theory Linux could be the worst considering situations where a whole package has to be removed before you can actually install something with support that is active. That's really RedHat's niche. Owning parts of RHEL that the package maintainers might not care to fix themselves.

Linux is good for stand alone systems and devices plus Web servers

Which was why Azure made a deal with RedHat.


The last 2 companies I worked for were 80% Windows hoping to be 50% Linux (50,000+ units in the data centers).
The costs are high and in Clouds: Windows doesn't like being shutdown without warning.
Microsoft has gotten better about this, and in fairness Linux is not perfect either, but still Linux is better at recovering from this.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by techhelpbb

I think it's interesting you think Microsoft's track record is better for patches than Apples.
Considering the proliferation of known threats in the Windows ecosystem.

In theory Linux could be the worst considering situations where a whole package has to be removed before you can actually install something with support that is active. That's really RedHat's niche. Owning parts of RHEL that the package maintainers might not care to fix themselves.



Which was why Azure made a deal with RedHat.



The last 2 companies I worked for were 80% Windows hoping to be 50% Linux (50,000+ units in the data centers).
The costs are high and in Clouds: Windows doesn't like being shutdown without warning.
Microsoft has gotten better about this, and in fairness Linux is not perfect either, but still Linux is better at recovering from this.

Every system was hacked at Pwn2Own 2016 this year including Windows . Windows 10 is pretty anti-hacker though with UAC and MIC Windows since Vista has been a fairly tough target. Windows Phone has received top billing at toughest mobile OS to hack and all nine FIPS certs. Microsoft for years had a hacking target on their back, they hardened the OS dramatically.

The hacks you read about today are all mobile for the most part IOS and Android.

[Toatekua]

Originally Posted by Boltman

Every system was hacked at Pwn2Own 2016 this year including Windows . Windows 10 is pretty anti-hacker though with UAC and MIC Windows since Vista has been a fairly tough target. Windows Phone has received top billing at toughest mobile OS to hack and all nine FIPS certs. Microsoft for years had a hacking target on their back, they hardened the OS dramatically.

The hacks you read about today are all mobile for the most part IOS and Android.

And ChromeOS is "unhackable".

Four years and the reward that Google has is still there.

[techhelpbb]

Originally Posted by Boltman

Every system was hacked at Pwn2Own 2016 this year including Windows . Windows 10 is pretty anti-hacker though with UAC and MIC Windows since Vista has been a fairly tough target. Windows Phone has received top billing at toughest mobile OS to hack and all nine FIPS certs. Microsoft for years had a hacking target on their back, they hardened the OS dramatically.

The hacks you read about today are all mobile for the most part IOS and Android.

FreeBSD always had a bullseye because for a decade real ISP infrastructure targets used it.
Windows has gotten much better but still the UAC does not help uninformed users.
The UAC does also not encourage least privilege.
Discounting the plethora of hacks created by common applications in the Windows ecosystem makes it easier for Microsoft to claim victories for security while blaming users for using it.

Originally Posted by Toatekua

And ChromeOS is "unhackable".

Four years and the reward that Google has is still there.

Why hack ChromeOS when you can hack Google's backend with the real targets of value?
A breach in Google Docs would wipe out some law firms I know.

[themccannman]

Apple and Linux OSes are much more convenient for people who do a lot of programming, but I personally use windows because so many of the applications I use are designed for, or only run, on windows.

[bombodail]

I use Gentoo Linux, and don't trust Apple or Microsoft with direct access to my hardware. In competition this year, our driver station was running Gentoo, with a heavily locked down windows vm. As far as I can tell so far nothing outperforms Gentoo. On my desktop at home, I use GPU pass through when needed to use Windows for GPU accelerated tasks such as CAD/CAM, and games. This way, it ensures that Windows does not directly touch the rest of my network, or any hardware except the ram, CPU cores, and GPU that I have allocated to the VM.

[techhelpbb]

Originally Posted by bombodail

In competition this year, our driver station was running Gentoo, with a heavily locked down windows vm...
This way, it ensures that Windows does not directly touch the rest of my network, or any hardware except the ram, CPU cores, and GPU that I have allocated to the VM.

How would Windows in the VM use TCP/IP over your network without touching your network? Does your VM have EoIP or VPN tunneling?

If you put Windows in a VM it can still broadcast and can still use IPV6. Unless, of course, you disconnect the virtual network but then you have no network so you have issues using it as a dashboard over the network.

[bombodail]

Originally Posted by techhelpbb

How would Windows in the VM use TCP/IP over your network without touching your network? Does your VM have EoIP or VPN tunneling?

If you put Windows in a VM it can still broadcast and can still use IPV6. Unless, of course, you disconnect the virtual network but then you have no network so you have issues using it as a dashboard over the network.

The driver station computer does not disable windows networking. On my desktop at home, I have passed a nic directly to the windows vm, and that goes directly to a dedicated port on my firewall, which has it on it's own network.

[teslalab2]

when I was little I used to love linux, and then I grew up and I'm an adult now who needs too use my computer in industry, for which linux is worthless......

[GreyingJay]

Originally Posted by teslalab2

when I was little I used to love linux, and then I grew up and I'm an adult now who needs too use my computer in industry, of which linux is worthless......

not taking the bait
not taking the bait
not taking the bait

[Ether]

Originally Posted by teslalab2

when I was little I used to love linux, and then I grew up and I'm an adult now who needs too use my computer in industry, of which linux is worthless......

Did you mean to say "for which" ?