pinning being called consistently?

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by rich2202

Are we looking at the same video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXlU...utu.be&t=1m42s

330 did not move off until after 5845 moved and the pin count was over.

5845 made contact with 330 at 1:46 in the video. Immediately thereafter, the Ref started the Pin Count, at which point 5845 made contact again with 330. 5845 then backed off, but it did not back off 6', so the Ref continued the count. When 5845 finally separated by 6', the Ref then waived off the Pin.

During the first 2 bumps (and an almost 3rd bump), 330 was not "free to move off the batter". After the bumps, 330 could have moved, but 5845 had to move back by 6' in order to have the pin count called off. Once the pin starts, it is not merely giving the other robot room to move, you have to give it 6' of room to move.

330 would have stayed there to shoot that high goal its not like they would have backed up at that point anyhow (thus not pinned as 330 chose to stop) and if you watch the video they were more concerned with lining up the HG shot which they missed then immediately exited...I do not see that as a "pin" at all and blue had every right to try to disrupt that shot as they did by contacting 330 to try to knock off their shot. 330 moved when they wanted to freely after. Calling a pin foul there was not warranted IMO and looks as if the refs called it correctly.

I saw a similar play where the bot had every opportunity to move but chose to stay put to make a HG shot... if a bot chooses to stay put how can a pin ever be called? Since the definition states the offender "prevents or stops" not the bot who is deciding to stop.

For me a pin count would start IF the bot being pinned seems stopped against their will and cannot move due to the direct actions of another bot. Otherwise I would not call pin IF the bot chose to stop and was not trying to go anywhere. I would not call a bump a pin either to try to knock off a shot. If a bot is attempting a shot at the HG great ..that does not give then immunity from contact or pin protection. IMO