First ever 70 point auto

[CTbiker105]

At the New England District Championship, the #2 alliance earned themselves the first spot in the 70 point auto club during their first quarterfinals match. 195's two ball autonomous coupled with a high goal from 125 and a high goal from 2168 resulted in a massive 70 points before teleop even began. Any predictions on how much this club will have grown by the end of St. Louis?

70 point auto can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42mqr4UBdfU

[M217]

Originally Posted by CTbiker105

At the New England District Championship, the #2 alliance earned themselves the first spot in the 70 point auto club during their first quarterfinals match. 195's two ball autonomous coupled with a high goal from 125 and a high goal from 2168 resulted in a massive 70 points before teleop even began. Any predictions on how much this club will have grown by the end of St. Louis?

70 point auto can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42mqr4UBdfU

Personally, I think every alliance that wins a championship subdivision/makes it to einstein will be capable of at least a 60 point auto. Who knows, if a subdivision contains two of the amazing 2-high-goal autonomous teams, we may even see an 80 pt auto on Einstein. That'd be terrifying to face.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by M217

Personally, I think every alliance that wins a championship subdivision/makes it to einstein will be capable of at least a 65 point auto. Who knows, if a subdivision contains two of the amazing 2-high-goal autonomous teams, we may even see an 80 pt auto on Einstein. That'd be terrifying to face.

Eh. Not enough teams with 2 ball autos, at least not yet. I'll take the bet that the average Einstein alliance will score, on average, 55 points in auto.

[Pault]

I seriously doubt it will go higher. And honestly, we might not see 70 again.

Worlds has always had a less deep field than district championships, so its pretty unlikely that 3 robots capable of shooting high in auton will find themselves on a high seeded alliance (which is where all the 2 ball auton robots will be). And at most I expect there to be 2 teams in attendance that can do a 2 ball from somewhere other than the low bar. Overall, things would have to line up pretty much perfectly to get an 80 point auton.

[Liam Fay]

Originally Posted by Pault

I seriously doubt it will go higher. And honestly, we might not see 70 again.

Worlds has always had a less deep field than district championships, so its pretty unlikely that 3 robots capable of shooting high in auton will find themselves on a high seeded alliance (which is where all the 2 ball auton robots will be). And at most I expect there to be 2 teams in attendance that can do a 2 ball from somewhere other than the low bar. Overall, things would have to line up pretty much perfectly to get an 80 point auton.

That last point is the biggest problem I see. 80 points requires not just TWO two ball autos, but one that can two-ball auto a different defense AND a third bot that can use a third defense.

[Banderoonies]

Originally Posted by Pault

I seriously doubt it will go higher. And honestly, we might not see 70 again.

Worlds has always had a less deep field than district championships, so its pretty unlikely that 3 robots capable of shooting high in auton will find themselves on a high seeded alliance (which is where all the 2 ball auton robots will be). And at most I expect there to be 2 teams in attendance that can do a 2 ball from somewhere other than the low bar. Overall, things would have to line up pretty much perfectly to get an 80 point auton.

I hope we see 70 again. Many teams I am sure are back in their shops trying to perfect their code to get it done. We should see more than just 2 teams.

I think we will see 70 again on Einstein for sure. At least one alliance partner will get a two ball auto and the others at least accomplishing the one ball auto (making another 70).

[M217]

Originally Posted by Pault

I seriously doubt it will go higher. And honestly, we might not see 70 again.

Worlds has always had a less deep field than district championships, so its pretty unlikely that 3 robots capable of shooting high in auton will find themselves on a high seeded alliance (which is where all the 2 ball auton robots will be). And at most I expect there to be 2 teams in attendance that can do a 2 ball from somewhere other than the low bar. Overall, things would have to line up pretty much perfectly to get an 80 point auton.

Fair enough. Admittedly, two ball autos are nearly impossible from anywhere besides the low bar. I do still think, though, that second round picks at champs will oftentimes have an autonomous high shot, especially considering how much work some of these teams are putting into perfecting their software. At the very least, robots that were not totally consistent with auto high shots are sure to be working their kinks out for CMP.

[tindleroot]

At IRI we will see a higher auto. But maybe not before that.

[NRappi]

How many teams are there that have a 2 ball auto? So far I've only heard of 195, 254, 987, and 1678 successfully doing it.

[Boe]

Originally Posted by NRappi

How many teams are there that have a 2 ball auto? So far I've only heard of 195, 254, 987, and 1678 successfully doing it.

971

[JB987]

Originally Posted by NRappi

How many teams are there that have a 2 ball auto? So far I've only heard of 195, 254, 987, and 1678 successfully doing it.

Need to include 971...

Crap...fingers too slow on my laptop. Beat me to it

[NRappi]

Originally Posted by Boe

971

Ok, so 5 teams prior to champs. My prediction is that we'll see around a dozen teams pull it off in Saint Louis, but only 1 or 2 who can do it from a defense other than the low bar.

[CalTran]

A second two ball auto is feasible with the Portcullis out. An argument could also be made for the Rough Terrain, and I've heard some say the Rock Wall, but Port and Rough are the only two that I can see being done, since they're by far the smoothest transition.

I do find it funny that, currently, there aren't enough teams that have demonstrated a two ball for there to be one per division. So either it's going to be one each or one division is going to be heavily skewed towards the auto side of the match.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by CalTran

A second two ball auto is feasible with the Portcullis out. An argument could also be made for the Rough Terrain, and I've heard some say the Rock Wall, but Port and Rough are the only two that I can see being done, since they're by far the smoothest transition.

I do find it funny that, currently, there aren't enough teams that have demonstrated a two ball for there to be one per division. So either it's going to be one each or one division is going to be heavily skewed towards the auto side of the match.

And there's a reasonable chance that an alliance with one (or even two) two ball autos won't make it to Einstein.

[engunneer]

I think it is worth discussing the conundrum the opponent's to this alliance had for defense picking. After the 70 pt auto, the next match had all of the b and d choices stacked up against the low bar in slots 2 and 3.this did a great job of disrupting the auto by having the robots all crowded together, but also opened up a Lane for 195's excellent human player.

And because of how audience selection goes, their opponents in the semifinals didn't have this option of crowding the auto.

I think in the end, the only defense against this combination would be to crowd them together in autonomous, but then also dedicate a robot to blocking the bowler.