The 2056 Streak has ended!

[CJ_Elliott]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

Yeah I agree. One bad match can't really affect the standings like in years past. (for example 2014, if you lost a match you lost 2 ranking points so that was a bummer and yes, if you lose a match this year you lose 2 ranking points as well, but you have the possibility of making that up with breach/capture ranking points) The capture rate will be high at champs. Good teams will not have as much as trouble ranking high because essentially many great teams can contribute to the majority of the capture by themselves- even if they get paired up with some bad partners they might still capture as long as their partners can move onto the batter. Champs will be interesting.

Agreed, the breaching point should be a guarantee almost every match at champs.

With the tower strength now at 10 idk if the cap is as garunteed

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by CJ_Elliott

With the tower strength now at 10 idk if the cap is as garunteed

Yeah I agree. It's gonna make it harder for teams to capture at champs, and qualification match defense will also make it more of a challenge. Capturing at champs will happen many times in quals, but not as common or as guaranteed as we thought before. The GDC definitely wanted to make capturing tougher, even if it is just 2 more boulders in a tower it still changes things.

[CJ_Elliott]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

Yeah I agree. It's gonna make it harder for teams to capture at champs, and qualification match defense will also make it more of a challenge. Capturing at champs will happen many times in quals, but not as common or as guaranteed as we thought before. The GDC definitely wanted to make capturing tougher, even if it is just 2 more boulders in a tower it still changes things.

With how teams were doing pre-champs the GDC just made it so that no one team (excluding insane matches... and 254) can cap by themselves

[BenHildy]

Originally Posted by Patriot

On behalf of Team 2056, we would like to say thank you to all those who have commented here and to us personally over the last few weeks. We do hope that our striving for excellence has helped many of you to do the same. Our goal has been to inspire OP students but it has obviously done more than that. It has been seen and acknowledged that Ontario is developing some of the best teams in the world. We learned it from 1114 and those who came before them, and we continue the legacy, as teams around us continue to excel around North America.

As many have commented, people thought that a loss would relieve the stress and remove the proverbial monkey off our backs. I would just like to say, there is just as much stress each and every event to excel and to do our best whether we are going for our 24th win or our 1st win.

As a celebration of the 23 straight Regional wins, we have developed a T-shirt, in the flavour of our 2056 team shirt but yet acknowledging all the teams that won each and every event with us, as well as a special tribute to 1241, 610 and 3560 for winning Waterloo 2016.

These shirts will be available in limited quantities, please see us in the stands at champs for details. Please NOT our PIT.

Will we be paying for these? If so how much? I will do anything to get that shirt

[Richard Wallace]

This shirt is a great idea, and a fitting tribute to the thirty partners and three final opponents who were part of OP's historic win streak.

In the spirit of the Erdős number that mathmeticians track, I propose that teams be assigned "OP Numbers", defined as follows:

• Team 2056 has OP Number = 0. They are unique.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance n times with 2056 at an official FRC event has OP Number = 1/n.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is greater than zero and less than or equal to one has OP Number = 2.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is 2 has OP Number = 3.
  
• And so on.

To start,
1114 has OP Number = 1/16
1547 has OP Number = 1/2

The following teams have OP Number = 1

Spoiler for OP Number 1:

771
176
1680
2166
2609
2185
296
217
1518
3756
781
1219
4372
4001
2200
1325
4069
4814
254
865
5288
2852
3710
5719
4903
118
2634
746

Can anyone provide a script to calculate OP numbers for all currently active FRC teams?*
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*Ether, you are ineligible. However, following your lead I will give rep points to the first CD student who shows a correct result, with sufficient detail to let others check the method used.

[yonip]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

This shirt is a great idea, and a fitting tribute to the thirty partners and three final opponents who were part of OP's historic win streak.

In the spirit of the Erdős number that mathmeticians track, I propose that teams be assigned "OP Numbers", defined as follows:

• Team 2056 has OP Number = 0. They are unique.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance n times with 2056 at an official FRC event has OP Number = 1/n.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is greater than zero and less than or equal to one has OP Number = 2.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is 2 has OP Number = 3.
  
• And so on.

To start,
1114 has OP Number = 1/16
1547 has OP Number = 1/2

The following teams have OP Number = 1

Spoiler for OP Number 1:

771
176
1680
2166
2609
2185
296
217
1518
3756
781
1219
4372
4001
2200
1325
4069
4814
254
865
5288
2852
3710
5719
4903
118
2634
746

Can anyone provide a script to calculate OP numbers for all currently active FRC teams?*
-------------

*Ether, you are ineligible. However, following your lead I will give rep points to the first CD student who shows a correct result, with sufficient detail to let others check the method used.

does "winning alliance" mean only regional winning alliance, or might it also include district, district champs, division, and/or champs winning alliance? also should offseason events be included? all of them? some?

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by yonip

does "winning alliance" mean only regional winning alliance, or might it also include district, district champs, division, and/or champs winning alliance? also should offseason events be included? all of them? some?

How about we use any event for which TBA has data? I think those are real enough to count.

[yonip]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

How about we use any event for which TBA has data? I think those are real enough to count.

well that would make it easier.

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

Can anyone provide a script to calculate OP numbers for all currently active FRC teams?*
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*Ether, you are ineligible. However, following your lead I will give rep points to the first CD student who shows a correct result, with sufficient detail to let others check the method used.

Ah, man, this is right up my alley. But count me in with rep on the first to complete the challenge, as well

I've got class tonight (and am no longer a student), but for those out there new to interacting with the TBA API, my GitHub gists has a ton of examples of pythons scripts to calculate various FRC stats from the TBA dataset. And of course, the TBA API Documentation will prove useful.

A prime example: https://gist.github.com/phil-lopreia...70084ffc8e4bf6, used in this very thread

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by CJ_Elliott

With how teams were doing pre-champs the GDC just made it so that no one team (excluding insane matches... and 254) can cap by themselves

I think it's right on the edge where the very top tier of shooters can capture by themselves still, under no defense.

[JABot67]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

To start,
1114 has OP Number = 1/16
1547 has OP Number = 1/2

The following teams have OP Number = 1

771
176
1680
2166
2609
2185
296
217
1518
3756
781
1219
4372
4001
2200
1325
4069
4814
254
865
5288
2852
3710
5719
4903
118
2634
746

Are we only counting the teams that won with 2056 during the streak? I don't see 910 and 4920 on here, even though they won this year's Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional with 2056. Should 2056's future winning alliance partners (of which there will be many ) get to have an OP Number of 1?

EDIT: Also, if we are counting division wins, we have to take into account 1625, 3138, 330, 492, and 3944.

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by JABot67

Are we only counting the teams that won with 2056 during the streak? I don't see 910 and 4920 on here, even though they won this year's Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional with 2056. Should 2056's future winning alliance partners (of which there will be many ) get to have an OP Number of 1?

EDIT: Also, if we are counting division wins, we have to take into account 1625, 3138, 330, 492, and 3944.

Let's count any event where the TBA API says "official: true". This includes Regionals, District, District CMP, and CMP Divisions. Sound good, Richard?

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by JABot67

EDIT: Also, if we are counting division wins, we have to take into account 1625, 3138, 330, 492, and 3944.

And 1114 and 4334. Some of us like to forget that 2012 Einstein actually happened, but they were there.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by plnyyanks

Let's count any event where the TBA API says "official: true". This includes Regionals, District, District CMP, and CMP Divisions. Sound good, Richard?

Yes-- every team that had won with 2056 has OP Number = 1, or a fraction if they have multiple wins.

[JABot67]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

And 1114 and 4334. Some of us like to forget that 2012 Einstein actually happened, but they were there.

D'oh!! Can't believe I forgot that! Those Archimedes finals still count as the most intense matches I've ever seen in person!

Just for fun, I did an OP Number analysis of the teams I've been on. This is manual; I can't wait to write an algorithm myself to calculate OP Numbers, or wait for some awesome student to do it.

Team 67 has an OP Number of 2:

1.) 67 won the 2009 Cass Tech District Event with 217.
2.) 217 won the 2011 Finger Lakes Regional with 2056.

Team 3322 has an OP Number of 4:

1.) 3322 won the 2012 Livonia District Event with 1023.
2.) 1023 won the 2015 Bedford District Event with 548.
3.) 548 won the 2012 Newton Division with 118.
4.) 118 won the 2016 Greater Toronto East Regional with 2056.

Team 2930 has an OP Number of 3:

1.) 2930 won the 2015 Pacific Northwest District Championship with 1983.
2.) 1983 won the 2007 Las Vegas Regional with 254.
3.) 254 won the 2014 Waterloo Regional with 2056.

Someone get that algorithm going! First thing I would try is a breadth-first search starting at 2056 and first enumerating all the teams that have an OP Number of 1. Then capture all the teams that have an OP Number of 2, and increase the search depth again, repeating the process until all teams with finite OP Numbers have been enumerated. Then cache all the numbers somewhere. With only ~3000 teams to work with, the cache size won't be very large.

I would be interested to know how many "islands" there are - that is, groups of teams that have won events but don't connect to the "main" graph of teams that have won events together.