Championship Waitlist

[Joe Johnson]

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• 1466 Knoxville, TN

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• 1209 Tulsa, OK

[dmsinucity]

Originally Posted by generaldgibson

Thanks a lot, as Clayton said, we're very excited to be able to use our most successful robot again. I think that we were one of the last teams on the waitlist to be invited, if not the last, so we're pretty excited lol

Yes, this by far has been the most successful robot built by the team. It is very exciting to just compete on this level and no matter the outcome all teams are winners.

[forbes]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

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• 1466 Knoxville, TN

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• 272 Lansdale, PA
• 1209 Tulsa, OK

My sources say 1209 has accepted.

[Joe Johnson]

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[bbombei]

So where's the wait list for teams that want to go to champs I can't find it ?

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by bbombei

So where's the wait list for teams that want to go to champs I can't find it ?

I don't think the waitlist is publicly visible, but you can see the teams registered for Champs at frclinks.com/e/cmp/2016.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by bbombei

So where's the wait list for teams that want to go to champs I can't find it ?

That list is not public.

[rich2202]

2 teams added yesterday, and 2 teams added today.

One team added yesterday declined, and one team reportedly accepted.

The two unknown teams are 3397, and 272. 3397 is local so, presumably they would accept.

272 was added today, and is unknown. The roster is at 599 teams.

So, 1 more team is invited to make 600? And, if 272 declines, then another team after that?

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by rich2202

2 teams added yesterday, and 2 teams added today.

One team added yesterday declined, and one team reportedly accepted.

The two unknown teams are 3397, and 272. 3397 is local so, presumably they would accept.

272 was added today, and is unknown. The roster is at 599 teams.

So, 1 more team is invited to make 600? And, if 272 declines, then another team after that?

3397 Was added then removed and readded. I would suspect that they accepted.

[Kristian Calhoun]

Originally Posted by rich2202

2 teams added yesterday, and 2 teams added today.

One team added yesterday declined, and one team reportedly accepted.

The two unknown teams are 3397, and 272. 3397 is local so, presumably they would accept.

272 was added today, and is unknown. The roster is at 599 teams.

So, 1 more team is invited to make 600? And, if 272 declines, then another team after that?

This tweet makes it seem as though 272 will accept their invitation.

[Kevin Sevcik]

894 dropped out earlier so since there hasn't been another invite, the roster is still at 599 and 1 opening if 272 accepts.

I swear at this point HQ should add 3 teams and whoever confirms first gets it. It'll hurt the 2 that are too slow, but the time it takes for a team to confirm is pushing the process out too long. Either that or they cut it at 599 and that's it. It's not like anyone but a local team is going to pull off a Champs trip all on Monday.

[generaldgibson]

Originally Posted by rich2202

The two unknown teams are 3397, and 272. 3397 is local so, presumably they would accept.

Correct, we have accepted the invitation. How many teams does it add up to now?

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by generaldgibson

Correct, we have accepted the invitation. How many teams does it add up to now?

We still are at 599.

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[Joe Johnson]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

894 dropped out earlier so since there hasn't been another invite, the roster is still at 599 and 1 opening if 272 accepts.

I swear at this point HQ should add 3 teams and whoever confirms first gets it. It'll hurt the 2 that are too slow, but the time it takes for a team to confirm is pushing the process out too long. Either that or they cut it at 599 and that's it. It's not like anyone but a local team is going to pull off a Champs trip all on Monday.

I know it only affects a small number of teams but FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

I don't speak for 246, but I can speak for my own experience as a mentor on a team that was on the bubble. FIRST has been completely opaque. We've gotten basically no explanation of the process or how things would work or when we would know something or not.

Part of our team is convinced that a mistake was made and that we should have been invited based on our rank at the end of the NEF-DCMP. We brought it up with NEF folks only to be told it is out of their hands. We have brought it up with FIRST. No answer. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. When we finally called to get to a live body they didn't seem interested in hearing the argument yet alone explaining why we were mistaken. All they could say was that it is done by an algorithm and they don't explain their algorithms to teams. Repeated request for more info resulted in no response whatever.

Earlier in the week, when some seniors where getting worked up about a potential mistake being made, I assured my team that they'd be treated fairly. I can't say that now. Maybe they were treated fairly. Maybe they were cheated out of an invite to St. Louis. Who can say? It is done by Algorithm and FIRST doesn't explain its Algorithms to teams.

I believe that FIRST owes the community more transparency (any transparency would an improvement). One quote I heard from another mentor, "FIRST is a black box about their CMP list. They make their decisions and explain nothing."

I'll close as I started: FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

Dr. Joe J.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

I know it only affects a small number of teams but FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

I don't speak for 246, but I can speak for my own experience as a mentor on a team that was on the bubble. FIRST has been completely opaque. We've gotten basically no explanation of the process or how things would work or when we would know something or not.

Part of our team is convinced that a mistake was made and that we should have been invited based on our rank at the end of the NEF-DCMP. We brought it up with NEF folks only to be told it is out of their hands. We have brought it up with FIRST. No answer. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. When we finally called to get to a live body they didn't seem interested in hearing the argument yet alone explaining why we were mistaken. All they could say was that it is done by an algorithm and they don't explain their algorithms to teams. Repeated request for more info resulted in no response whatever.

Earlier in the week, when some seniors where getting worked up about a potential mistake being made, I assured my team that they'd be treated fairly. I can't say that now. Maybe they were treated fairly. Maybe they were cheated out of an invite to St. Louis. Who can say? It is done by Algorithm and FIRST doesn't explain its Algorithms to teams.

I believe that FIRST owes the community more transparency (any transparency would an improvement). One quote I heard from another mentor, "FIRST is a black box about their CMP list. They make their decisions and explain nothing."

I'll close as I started: FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

Dr. Joe J.

I would hope the announcement about 2Champz will clarify some things like this whenever they get around to making it. I was assuming there would be an announcement or town hall about it at Champs, but I don't see one on the schedule. If there's a surprise town hall, I'd be willing to be an advocate on this for teams that feel slighted or in the dark about the current selection process, as would others on here, I'm sure. I'd need a crash course in district advancement and why your team thinks they should've gotten an invite, however, since I've been in Regional-ville for my whole career.