#FIRSTChampLIVE Announcement

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

Since you guys are on the inside when it comes to production of the FIRST videos can you please put in a strong recommendation for the layout used at the Texas Events?

Greg,

We don't have a whole lot to do with the live production side, but I am happy to say that the camera setup for subdivisions will be mimicking the Texas layout!

2016 Championship really should be an improved remote viewing experience for everyone, whether you're following specific teams on certain Subdivisions or letting the #FIRSTChampLIVE crew break down the best action from around the dome.

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

Will some of the coverage be played on the different field screens between matches or in the pit?

Originally Posted by ReaperGoat

You know, that's a good question. I think likely not, unfortunately!

I hope you have time to remedy this! Part of the FIRST on TV initiative is raising awareness, even within our own community. If you got on the screen rotation every 4 matches, it would be wicked cool and raise the champs experience. Once the fields inevitably get on slightly different schedules you are almost guaranteed to see some sort of cool activity while others are resetting.

Sample schedule:

Match 1
*sponsor content*
Match 2
**GameSense Champs Live**
Match 3
*sponsor content*
Match 4
***Audience Selection***
Match 5
*sponsor content*
Match 6
**GameSense Champs Live**

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

We don't have a whole lot to do with the live production side, but I am happy to say that the camera setup for subdivisions will be mimicking the Texas layout!

This is the best news I've heard since this thread was created!

[ReaperGoat]

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

I hope you have time to remedy this! Part of the FIRST on TV initiative is raising awareness, even within our own community. If you got on the screen rotation every 4 matches, it would be wicked cool and raise the champs experience. Once the fields inevitably get on slightly different schedules you are almost guaranteed to see some sort of cool activity while others are resetting.

Sample schedule:

Match 1
*sponsor content*
Match 2
**GameSense Champs Live**
Match 3
*sponsor content*
Match 4
***Audience Selection***
Match 5
*sponsor content*
Match 6
**GameSense Champs Live**

No promises! Maybe we can get it in the pipeline for next year!

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

Since you guys are on the inside when it comes to production of the FIRST videos can you please put in a strong recommendation for the layout used at the Texas Events? It is a 4 window split: top of it is a full field view, lower left is a fixed view of blue, lower right is fixed view of red, and the lower center is a floating view from a camera opperator. IMO this is far superior than most regional videos where you have a camera operator who likes to focus on a meandering robot instead of the action.

While this is great, its a pain for anyone with a screen smaller than about 11 inches. This layout it hard to see most anything going on in the match, especially with a phone, where the screen could be as small as 4 inches or even less.

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by MikLast

While this is great, its a pain for anyone with a screen smaller than about 11 inches. This layout it hard to see most anything going on in the match, especially with a phone, where the screen could be as small as 4 inches or even less.

There is almost no difference in size of image between this layout and a typical full-field view. Both are size-limited by the width of the field. This "texas layout" just makes the most of the dead-space inherent in most streams.

I'm really excited for this!

-Mike

[joelg236]

Originally Posted by MikLast

While this is great, its a pain for anyone with a screen smaller than about 11 inches. This layout it hard to see most anything going on in the match, especially with a phone, where the screen could be as small as 4 inches or even less.

The thing is, there's no alternative that will let you watch the full field & still see specific robot actions. I doubt the majority of viewers are on phones though. (I really hope not, for their sake)

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

There is almost no difference in size of image between this layout and a typical full-field view. Both are size-limited by the width of the field. This "texas layout" just makes the most of the dead-space inherent in most streams.

I'm really excited for this!

-Mike

This is exactly why we loved this layout this year. You get more information and all you loose is staring at the backs of peoples heads standing by the field or at the scoring table.

I am really happy FIRST is adopting it....now to work on all the other regionals and districts for 2017

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

There is almost no difference in size of image between this layout and a typical full-field view. Both are size-limited by the width of the field. This "texas layout" just makes the most of the dead-space inherent in most streams.

I'm really excited for this!

-Mike

I dont think you realize what im talking about. Take this for example:
480x800, 4" diagonal display.

While its going to look okay on a computer screen, the phone will be further away (usually) than your screen will, and has much less room than the computer screen. You also cant zoom in. It is not fun trying to watch anything on this, let alone a multi-screen video.


PLEASE do not take this as me not liking this idea. I love the idea, I am only trying to point out an issue with this.

[synth3tk]

Originally Posted by MikLast

I dont think you realize what im talking about. Take this for example:
480x800, 4" diagonal display.

While its going to look okay on a computer screen, the phone will be further away (usually) than your screen will, and has much less room than the computer screen. You also cant zoom in. It is not fun trying to watch anything on this, let alone a multi-screen video.


PLEASE do not take this as me not liking this idea. I love the idea, I am only trying to point out an issue with this.

I think their point is, most regionals are full field views already. All this does is remove the space above and below (the scorer's table and the queuing walkway), moves the field up a bit, and adds more screens. They're not shrinking anything down, since it's still the same width.

Sure, you can argue that you won't be able to see anything happening in the lower segments, but you're not losing anything.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by joelg236

The thing is, there's no alternative that will let you watch the full field & still see specific robot actions. I doubt the majority of viewers are on phones though. (I really hope not, for their sake)

Considering that the majority of regional's first day of competition is on fridays its completely possible that many on their phones watching, as they may have school/work to be focusing on also.

Originally Posted by synth3tk

Sure, you can argue that you won't be able to see anything happening in the lower segments, but you're not losing anything.

You lose everything on the bottom portion of your screen, which is something.

Originally Posted by synth3tk

I think their point is, most regionals are full field views already. All this does is remove the space above and below (the scorer's table and the queuing walkway), moves the field up a bit, and adds more screens. They're not shrinking anything down, since it's still the same width.

Being a curious person with nothing to do on a friday night, i went ahead and ("super scientifically") tested this.

Using an 1080p 22' screen (along with some compressed youtube footage) i got screenshots of the full field view at the PNWDCMP (easiest to get for me) and one from the Alamo regional. I then ("super scientifically") cropped out everything in both shots except for the field.

While doing this, I ran into a slight issue. Because of the angle of the PNW stream, I would still get the back A/V crew if i included the high towel goals. I was unsure if anyone would create a fuss about that, and to account for it either way I included 2 PNW's: PNW1 has the high goals, while PNW2 has just the actual field, nothing else.

Now, I measured the amount of pixels from the bottom to top of the image (as thats the space it will take up on a screen) and compared them.

PNW1's pixel length is 393 pixel units.
PNW2's pixel length is 280 pixel units.
Alamo's pixel length is 411 pixel units

Alamo has about 20 pixels more than PNW1's view. Im guessing because of the much better angle Alamo used than what PNW did, proving that the viewing size (when in full field view) didn't change.

Another thing (maybe it was because it was not an official feed, but a reupload from manning robotics) the width was 1700 pixel units instead of PNW's 1900. If that is from the official feed with nothing changed, that is a small shrink horizontally, which would make the viewing worse for users with smaller devices.

This topic may be good for another thread, seeing as it could help improve streams.

[The Sofa]

I myself will be at Champs this year in person but this is great news for the part of my team staying in California! This will be an awesome way to watch the games, I can already see it!

[SciBorg Dave]

GS always a GREAT show.

[roddonfire]

Will the Opening Ceremony be broadcasted? If so, which video/stream on Game Sense will be covering it?

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by roddonfire

Will the Opening Ceremony be broadcasted? If so, which video/stream on Game Sense will be covering it?

IIRC in the past, all the division webcasts have streamed Opening and Closing Ceremonies, as well as the Einstein matches.
But don't quote me on that...