2016 Chairman's Hall of Fame Predictions

[Gregor]

597

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by Gregor

597

You mean the 2015 CCA winner?

[lynca]

Originally Posted by Gregor

597

This is a really interesting comment Gregor.
Who actually predicted 597 to win HoF last year ?

Is FIRST going in a completely different direction with the HoF selection process ?

[marshall]

I'll offer up one that I feel has been overlooked for some time...

1311

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by marshall

I'll offer up one that I feel has been overlooked for some time...

1311

1311 would be an obvious step forward in the vein of 597.

[Jacob Bendicksen]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

1311 would be an obvious step forward in the vein of 597.

I would argue that 1311, while perhaps not the sort of 'household name' that many HoF teams are, is definitely on more observers' radars than 597 was. They have 8 Regional Chairman's Awards (tied for 3rd all-time), and they're doing some great stuff in their area (and beyond).

My list would be 503, 604, and 2486. All three have fantastic, sustained programs with amazing students, and I'd put my money on one of them to win the big one on Saturday.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

1311 would be an obvious step forward in the vein of 597.

Can you guys elaborate?

I know little to nothing about either team. I still don't really know why 597 won (never looked into it to be honest), but if you do, please explain the relation to 1311's story and what they do.

[marshall]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Can you guys elaborate?

I know little to nothing about either team. I still don't really know why 597 won (never looked into it to be honest), but if you do, please explain the relation to 1311's story and what they do.

I can tell you that 1311 is on my radar because their sphere of influence is the southeastern US but they are doing a lot beyond as well. I'm a huge fan and I'd love to see them become an HOF team for the work they are doing to help out a region that desperately needs it. NC has some teams doing similar work but they aren't quite up there with 1311 yet.

[seg9585]

I'm personally rooting for team 3309. Go Friarbots!

[Dale]

Those wondering why 1311 is on everyone's radar (or should be) can check out their submissions at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=147568

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by lynca

This is a really interesting comment Gregor.
Who actually predicted 597 to win HoF last year ?

Is FIRST going in a completely different direction with the HoF selection process ?

That is an interesting point. However, I don't think FIRST is going to choose "under-the-radar" teams specifically since this will prevent the Chairman's "powerhouses" from ever entering the hall of fame. However, FIRST may look less and less at how well-known teams are.

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

It isn't surprising that strong robots are produced by the teams who have the strongest overall programs. I still think it should not be independently evaluated, especially because in my mind, a team that is the pinnacle of an FRC program to emulate should also consistently produce results on the field in addition to off the field.

I feel that the most well-rounded programs are the ones that should earn a spot in the HOF - which is typically the case.

[Red2486]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

That is an interesting point. However, I don't think FIRST is going to choose "under-the-radar" teams specifically since this will prevent the Chairman's "powerhouses" from ever entering the hall of fame. However, FIRST may look less and less at how well-known teams are.

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

I think that you are missing the connection here that does exist between the robot and Chairman's (though I don't think it is discussed in the judging room). Teams that are Champiomship level for the robot are excellent teams, and excellent teams tend to, in many cases, breed excellence is all areas. It has a lot to do with team culture. Additionally, the "better" a team is at Chairman's, the better their resources tend to be. If you are doing HOF level outreach, your chances of getting good funding, mentors, etc., go way up.

[Hot_Copper_Frog]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

Well, I'd imagine that part of being a model team is fielding a consistently competitive robot. Not because winning is important, but consistently high performing robots are a product of teams that have strong partnerships with their sponsors/mentors, a solid base of institutional FIRST design knowledge, effective implementation of the engineering design process, etc. I don't necessarily think that robot performance is explicitly factored into the decision, but the teams that are "doing it right" will probably end up with pretty good robots because of they way they are structured.

[Donut]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

Originally Posted by Hot_Copper_Frog

Well, I'd imagine that part of being a model team is fielding a consistently competitive robot. Not because winning is important, but consistently high performing robots are a product of teams that have strong partnerships with their sponsors/mentors, a solid base of institutional FIRST design knowledge, effective implementation of the engineering design process, etc. I don't necessarily think that robot performance is explicitly factored into the decision, but the teams that are "doing it right" will probably end up with pretty good robots because of they way they are structured.

Looking at all of the Hall of Fame teams since 2000 the majority of them are well known for their performance on the field, but there are two counter-examples. Last year's winner 597 has never won a Regional or Champs Division in their history, and has a total of 4 robot based awards since their inception in 2001. They have been Regional Finalists 3 times but only once in this decade. 2008's Chairman's winning team 842 had never won an event in their history at the time they entered the HOF and had a total of 3 robot based awards at that time (4 if you include Division Finalist from Champs that same year, though I would think that would have occurred after judging for Chairman's was already concluded). There is also team 22 from 2001 that according to TBA had no robot awards prior to winning, but I don't know how accurate the history pages on FIRST and TBA are that far back for award listings.

Now I do think that having consistently below average performing robots precludes a team from winning Championship Chairman's, but once you are above a minimum-competitiveness threshold it looks like it is not a factor. I am not familiar with 597's robots but I did get to watch (and drive against) most of 842's robots during the years prior to their Chairman's win. They built sturdy robots focused around one aspect of the game and were often a playoff team, but were rarely an alliance captain and did not become a major contender for winning an event until their Chairman's season. Looking at TBA history for 597 they look similar in that they made quarters or semis at many events but rarely seeded high enough to captain their alliance. Based on these two teams, I would say any team has a reasonable shot at Championship Chairman's as long as they have robots that function reasonably well and sometimes make eliminations.

It will be interesting to see how 597's HOF status affects their competitiveness in the coming years. 842 really caught fire and has created some amazing machines since their Chairman's win. I'm not sure how much my students believe me when I tell them that they used to field robots not much different from the ones we have built recently.