Unfortunate Red Card Ruling on Newton

[alicen]

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8

The majority of the time the ref(s) will not change their ruling. though they might hear you out and let you explain but 99% of the time the will not change it.

I see that you've been an FLL ref, but unless you have been an FRC ref, I would suggest not claiming what is or isn't done.

OP -- From your description of the events, I think you are right in that the call shouldn't have been a red card (also I have no idea how YC + Foul = RC, that's new to me ) As far as putting processes in place to help refs and head refs to make the right calls accurately in a split second, well that's a dead horse that's been beaten over and over. The other aspect of it, changing a bad call after the fact, I've seen calls changed plenty of times before, but most often it has to do with what the refs see/say more so than the teams view/opinion. It's not a perfect system by any means

[Pault]

Originally Posted by alicen

I see that you've been an FLL ref, but unless you have been an FRC ref, I would suggest not claiming what is or isn't done.

I'm not sure how being an FRC ref is at all relevant to the point he made. Maybe he has a small sample size, but you don't need to be a ref to see if head referees tend to revert a lot of calls based on team's in the question box.

EDIT: just to clarify: I think that 99% is an overexaggheration. It really depends on the ref: I have seen refs never budge, and I have seen the semifinals at NECHAMPS this year where the head ref spent about an hour talking to teams and considering what to do when a scoring error occured. But that is beside my point.

[Breakaway3937]

This is similar to the match in which we, 3937, were flipped by Code Orange. Their intake was out and went right under us from the side and we flipped. We went to the question box and told them that we didn't think it was intentional, therefore, they shouldn't have been issued a red card. It was just a strange happenings of events, and we knew they didn't have any intent. I think the flipping rule is just hard to judge in general. Our refs already have a lot on their plate and judging intent is hard enough by itself. Shoutout to all FRC refs, you have a tough job!

[EricH]

A foul + yellow card is the standard penalty for strategies aimed at tipping.

A red card should only be pulled if incapacitation results.

Might be a good idea to try to locate the Chief Referee and ask him to clarify the rules on that point. (And, if he happens to clarify differently than the on-field head ref, asking him to clarify to that head ref may be an option.)