2016 Einstein

[Galum]

Originally Posted by samthesnake

I agree 100%. I want to know what the blue foul was. Any ideas?

From what I gathered - pinning, didn't back-up 6 feet

[SoMe_DuDe904]

Originally Posted by samthesnake

I agree 100%. I want to know what the blue foul was. Any ideas?

Likely pinning by the defensive robot but I would have to rewatch to see for sure.

[MikLast]

was pinning, upper right side of the field. Cant remember the time though.

[MrNick]

Best match on Einstein has to be semi 3. 330's amazing performance to pull out the win was spectacular to watch and it made it fun to then watch their alliance win it all. Congrats!

[drewsapple]

I think the foul was because the blue alliance rolled a boulder out of their human player station, over the ramparts, and into the enemy courtyard.

[gary325]

Originally Posted by drewsapple

I think the foul was because the blue alliance rolled a boulder out of their human player station, over the ramparts, and into the enemy courtyard.

That is not a foul. That is a technique many teams perfected throughout the season. If it went through the low bar, that is another story.

The pinning by 1405 appeared to be in error. They did not prevent the other robot from moving. They were just in their line of sight to the goals. She would start the count almost immediately when 1405 hit the driver station wall.

The foul may have been an inadvertent hit of a robot when it was still over the outer works.

[Basel A]

Best Einstein finals I've ever seen, except for one thing: I wish we could've had a fourth match!

[purduephotog]

I couldn't watch via twitch... Reading the score it was 220 to 225……, 5 point penalty in favor of red which made it tied. Since it was tied then the penalty made by blue triggered the win for red?

[Kingland093]

Congrats to 987 on the Chairman's award win!

[Christopher149]

Did anyone catch the Make It Loud Award winner?

[Karibou]

Originally Posted by Christopher149

Did anyone catch the Make It Loud Award winner?

Disney

[rpappa]

As someone who was rooting for 3015 and 2056's alliance (3015 because I'm close with them and 2056 because who didn't want to see them win champs after losing their first regional) it was crushing to see the match be won despite the score saying there was a tie.

In almost any other competition, a tie would be decided by extra play time. FIRST is becoming, for sure, a spectator sport. I know many people came to watch my team's events, with only a shallow knowledge of how the game works, because it is easy to understand on a general level. The team with the most points was considered the winner of the match. The teams that did the best overall, had the advantage going into eliminations. If the number eight seed scored higher than the number one seed, it was considered an upset, and was quite exciting.

So, in interest of FIRST being more appetizing to the general public, I feel like the situation should be addressed. Anyone not familiar with the rules would be honestly confused as to why there was the word "winner" under the red alliance despite each alliance earning 225 points, a confusion which I saw first hand as I was watching from home with a small group. The idea of a champion is already muddled enough, with a fourth team that may or may not contribute to an alliance winning, and with championship splitting into two events next year. Now, when you are calling four teams the "best in the world" based off one line located in 100+ pages of game manual, this definition becomes even more confusing.

The score says we have two evenly matched teams. It would be satisfying to know that one is truly better than the other based off more than just a technicality.

[Eugene Fang]

Please please please remove the tiebreaker rule for finals at all events, or at least finals on Einstein in 2017. I get the rule was instituted to save time during playoffs (5+ matches due to ties is never fun), but ending the world championship on a would-be-tie (especially for outside spectators) doesn't make sense.

I don't mean to take anything away from the winning alliance this year. It's just doesn't make sense from a spectator point of view, especially when sharing videos of what is supposed to be the pinnacle match of FRC to outsiders.

[bam-bam]

Really, the tiebreaker was put in place after 2010's tendency to result in ties. Ties are rather rare, and do warrant a replay in eliminations.

[The other Gabe]

I don't think ties merit a re-play. if the rules have been the same all season with the ties, why should it change at Einstein?