Split Champs in '17 and '18

[erk1119]

Originally Posted by dodar

That's done by student population size though.

FIRST is the one sport that isn't segregated by school size. I know that our team appreciates that unlike the athletics, we compete against teams from around the world and with a huge variety of school sizes, funding and support.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by SpaceBiz

The real world champion is what we all make of it. Our current system has the winning alliance's backup bot as the world champion. I don't think anyone would argue that any 3rd round pick is better than 254 or other top tier teams, but we as a community, myself included, see all four teams on that alliance as world champions, while no one else is.

For this reason splitting champs by ability or by region will always result in 8 world champions, it just depends on what YOU feel qualifys a team a champion. In much of sports there is more than one champion by virtue of more than one championship. Take swimming for example.

Along with the world championship, their is also the Olympics. You could argue a swimmer that wins gold at either is the world champion. This does assume however that everyone can compete at either championship.

This is a team sport, not individual, just like football. So we call Peyton Manning the Super Bowl champion, but we also call the Broncos' back up offensive tackle the same thing. Let's not diminish the role of anyone team member of the winning alliance. So we have had one winning alliance. It is an easy concept to convey.

And most sports skip their world championship in Olympic years to avoid any confusion. Track/athletics does this and soccer/football doesn't have the World Cup then.

[SpaceBiz]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

This is a team sport, not individual, just like football. So we call Peyton Manning the Super Bowl champion, but we also call the Broncos' back up offensive tackle the same thing. Let's not diminish the role of anyone team member of the winning alliance. So we have had one winning alliance. It is an easy concept to convey.

And most sports skip their world championship in Olympic years to avoid any confusion. Track/athletics does this and soccer/football doesn't have the World Cup then.

Not trying to short sell the role of the backup bot at all. I might not have been clear enough about that. But the point I was trying to make is as long as all teams can theoretically compete at both championships, I believe they maintain the integrity of being called a world championship.

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[dodar]

Originally Posted by SpaceBiz

Not trying to short sell the role of the backup bot at all. I might not have been clear enough about that. But the point I was trying to make is as long as all teams can theoretically compete at both championships, I believe they maintain the integrity of being called a world championship.

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That'd be like calling the AFC Champs and the NFC Champs both NFL Champs.

That's not how Championships work. As in football it is one team, in FIRST it is one alliance.

[Banderoonies]

Is there any official list showing who goes to which championship yet? Teams will really need to know for planning purposes.

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by Banderoonies

Is there any official list showing who goes to which championship yet? Teams will really need to know for planning purposes.

Nope.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I don't call them championships.
I call them Super Regional North and Super Regional South.

The real question on everyone's mind should be will Ed be attending both events or only one?

[Xavbro]

Originally Posted by rlowe61

Let teams select where they want to attend. Some teams have the means to travel. So a team from Houston wants to go to Detroit, they should let the team decide.

This. Now I know this method would cause a lot of hassle and problems but letting us decide would help us so much simply because we do VEX and FRC. It would allow teams to attend both World Championships.

Also, as much as I love my hometown, part of the fun of going to Champs was the travel. I would love to be able to travel to St. Louis/Detroit if we qualified.