Championships in 2017

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by AnnaCC

Forgive me if this is already common knowledge, but I wondered if it's absolutely confirmed that the FRC itself will be split up? Or is it possible that FIRST might just be moving some of the programs to Houston? (for example, Jr. FLL, FLL, and FTC in Houston and FRC in St. Louis)

This has been confirmed at least since the last update. (I don't expect it to change either).

It is two champs with all programs at each.

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by AnnaCC

Forgive me if this is already common knowledge, but I wondered if it's absolutely confirmed that the FRC itself will be split up? Or is it possible that FIRST might just be moving some of the programs to Houston? (for example, Jr. FLL, FLL, and FTC in Houston and FRC in St. Louis)

Originally Posted by orangemoore

This has been confirmed at least since the last update. (I don't expect it to change either).

That and splitting them up into two different cities and two different weekends breaks up the "progression of programs" that FIRST strives to show during Champs. It already was broken when they stopped having FTC and FLL play in the Dome; I'd hate to see it split up completely.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by CalTran

That and splitting them up into two different cities and two different weekends breaks up the "progression of programs" that FIRST strives to show during Champs. It already was broken when they stopped having FTC and FLL play in the Dome; I'd hate to see it split up completely.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant each champs will have all 4 programs to my knowledge. I'm looking for my proof now...

Edit: http://www.firstchampionship.org/welcome#block-block-54

It will be 2 champs with all programs at each.

My apologies for any confusion caused.

[GearsOfFury]

Originally Posted by CalTran

That and splitting them up into two different cities and two different weekends breaks up the "progression of programs" that FIRST strives to show during Champs. It already was broken when they stopped having FTC and FLL play in the Dome; I'd hate to see it split up completely.

At least now all programs can be back under one roof.

As "someone" important very recently said... It's for the greater good of inspiration of tomorrow's hope. "Get over it".

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by GearsOfFury

At least now all programs can be back under one roof.

As "someone" important very recently said... It's for the greater good of inspiration of tomorrow's hope. "Get over it".

While your post is incredibly edgy, the shift from one championship to two postseason expos is at best an unknown quantity. The idea of increasing inspiration is entirely subjective, but you can potentially quantify inspiration by team count I guess. If that is your sole metric for a direct increase in inspiration, I guess you might be right. However those of us who subscribe to an idea that an unsupported team is worse than no team also believe that two poorly supported expos can be worse than one adequately supported championship.

Fewer things in life can be more powerful than participation on a FIRST team at a FIRST event, but it's important to realize that fact can swing both ways. Putting at-risk kids into failing teams is damaging. Having volunteers who don't put students first can be damaging. Sponsors and sponsoring organizations who don't understand why a team wants 15k+ to go to one of these expos instead of one championship is confusing for them and can be potentially damaging.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

While your post is incredibly edgy, the shift from one championship to two postseason expos is at best an unknown quantity. The idea of increasing inspiration is entirely subjective, but you can potentially quantify inspiration by team count I guess. If that is your sole metric for a direct increase in inspiration, I guess you might be right. However those of us who subscribe to an idea that an unsupported team is worse than no team also believe that two poorly supported expos can be worse than one adequately supported championship.

Fewer things in life can be more powerful than participation on a FIRST team at a FIRST event, but it's important to realize that fact can swing both ways. Putting at-risk kids into failing teams is damaging. Having volunteers who don't put students first can be damaging. Sponsors and sponsoring organizations who don't understand why a team wants 15k+ to go to one of these expos instead of one championship is confusing for them and can be potentially damaging.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PayneTrain again."

[Van.Augur]

I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread but didn't see anyone link to it directly: FIRST has put out an official update with regard to the changing Championship structure at http://www.firstinspires.org/2017-20...mpionship-info

Notable (for me, at least), was that they mentioned they are looking to put together a "Culminating Event" to have the Champs from each event face off at a possibly televised event.

[scooty199]

I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread but didn't see anyone link to it directly: FIRST has put out an official update with regard to the changing Championship structure at http://www.firstinspires.org/2017-20...mpionship-info

Notable (for me, at least), was that they mentioned they are looking to put together a "Culminating Event" to have the Champs from each event face off at a possibly televised event.

My thing with a televised event, while it would be awesome is that for 8 teams on 2 alliances, playing a max of 3 matches that are 150 seconds each... that's just under 8 minutes of total action. How much stuff would you have to jam in there for a made for TV event?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by scooty199

My thing with a televised event, while it would be awesome is that for 8 teams on 2 alliances, playing a max of 3 matches that are 150 seconds each... that's just under 8 minutes of total action. How much stuff would you have to jam in there for a made for TV event?

How much of battlebots was actually bots battling? You could have 8 minutes of match in a 1-hour programme. I think this would also be an opportunity to play more than a best-of-three.

[roboruler]

Originally Posted by Basel A

How much of battlebots was actually bots battling? You could have 8 minutes of match in a 1-hour programme. I think this would also be an opportunity to play more than a best-of-three.

Yes, battebots is a good example of this. But I suspect if FIRST is going to spend a significant amount of money bringing the alliances together to play each other, then they will organise more than three matches for each team. Also I think it would be the type of thing that FIRST would subsidise for the teams involved.

[synth3tk]

Originally Posted by scooty199

My thing with a televised event, while it would be awesome is that for 8 teams on 2 alliances, playing a max of 3 matches that are 150 seconds each... that's just under 8 minutes of total action. How much stuff would you have to jam in there for a made for TV event?

You ever watch American football?

Make it a best-of-5, throw in some filler content (interviews, b-roll, replays/analysis of the last match), and factor in commercial time. I think it could stand on its own.

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by synth3tk

Make it a best-of-5, throw in some filler content (interviews, b-roll, replays/analysis of the last match), and factor in commercial time.

Recognize the Chairman's Award winner both Chairman's Award winners and play their video both of their videos in its their entirety. Please.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Recognize the Chairman's Award winner both Chairman's Award winners and play their video both of their videos in its their entirety. Please.

This.

[nickyflash]

Even though coming from a team that has never been to champs, I was disappointed learning about the Champs split. I have planned, if we ever go to Champs before I graduate, to get to know some of the teams across the world I follow and admire in person. Unfortunately that won't work out.

[Gimli]