Split Champs assignment

[FrankJ]

Originally Posted by pmangels17

Wait, here's the real question in all this: Is Will.I.Am going to come to both Championship events, or will only half of FIRST get their championship event overshadowed by needless controversy? (As if Half-Champs isn't controversial enough)

Actually this is primarily a controversy on CD. I had to work so didn't get to go to Champs and would not have heard about Will's statement without CD. Actually I probably would not have heard it at Champs either since my tolerance for large crowds & stadium seating would have be way overstretched by the time he spoke.

[TheJoe]

Big News! And Season Thoughts (Later...)

Written by Frank Merrick, 2015 MAY 05.

Big News!

In case you haven’t heard, we’ve released information on the 2017/2018 ‘home’ Championship assignments, along with information on a few things still in the works. Check it out here.

Season Thoughts

We’ve got some thoughts to pass along about the 2016 season, but as we expect most folks in the community will be buzzing about those 2017/2018 Championships assignments, we’ll save those for later.

Hope everyone who attended Championship made it home safely and has had a chance to get a little rest!

Frank

I think we may be forgetting abut this. Hallry shared it in a different thread earlier. I wonder what Frank will have to say about 2016?

[MikLast]

Guess this is relevant again.

Originally Posted by MikLast

Spokane to Houston: 2,118 miles
Spokane to Detroit: 2,071 miles

Spokane to St. Louis: 1,805 miles

I thought i heard something about cost saving?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by RoboChair

I would like to see FIRST push for everyone having districts instead of regionals(sparse international teams I have no current solution for). Everyone gets at least 2 events, those that do well get a Championship experience at the District level champs, and the best of the best at District Champs goes to the World Champs. The district model gives FIRST absolute control over team attendance numbers for Champs, bring X number of teams.

I suggested exactly this to Don Bossi at MSC 2015. He didn't seem too keen on the idea. I think that was because FIRST has no involvement in planning district CMPs (and probably doesn't want to step on anybody's toes).

Originally Posted by Hot_Copper_Frog

I mean, it is kind of like GLR on steroids, if you look at the map.

Exactly what I'm looking for in a World Championship /s

[Nathan Streeter]

Largely unsurprising decision... seems reasonable enough. This seemed like the default decision once the split championships was announced. A little saddening, as this adds the extra note of finality.

It would be interesting to see which CMP would have more teams from the 2016 CMP elims, Einstein, and which would have higher OPRs.

So, the next big question for me, is with 400 teams how many divisions will they have? 100 team divisions were awful for the integrity of the rankings and logistics, but a 50 team division would seem pretty weak and shallow... particularly when the CMP team lists are already being dilluted by being split!

[AndrewPospeshil]

Originally Posted by Hot_Copper_Frog

As much as I love my fellow Michiganders...the Detroit championship is going to feel a whole lot like MSC.

I'm going to lobby hard for the frogs to travel to Hawaii for some fresh faces starting in 2018.

>tfw class of 2017

Originally Posted by peirvine

They could potentially run it like they do FTC - where they have 4 "super regionals" which then feed into the World Championship again. I think they had something like that drafted up in 2011 but I could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by RoboChair

I would like to see FIRST push for everyone having districts instead of regionals(sparse international teams I have no current solution for). Everyone gets at least 2 events, those that do well get a Championship experience at the District level champs, and the best of the best at District Champs goes to the World Champs. The district model gives FIRST absolute control over team attendance numbers for Champs, bring X number of teams.

I think this is the end goal - and it it's not, I think it should be. If more and more regions move to Districts (lets say, 85% of FRC teams), then FRC could operate much like the FTC Super Regional model, except DCMPs are the the Super Regionals. This way, all teams will get 1-3 small events (Districts/Qualifiers), one big event (DCMP/Super Regional*), and one (hopefully singular) Champs. This way, mid-tier teams get an opportunity to advance to additional levels of competition, while perennial powerhouses get the satisfaction of an "undiluted" CMP.

*yeah, I know FTC has State Champs in most/all places. imo four levels of competition is too much

[Mike Starke]

Based on the Final Top 25 for this year...

13 of those teams would attend Houston next year, 12 in St. Louis.

Out of the Top 10 of those teams, 6 would compete in Houston, 4 in St. Louis.

Definitely more balanced than I originally thought it would have been. Definitely still absolutely hate the idea though.

[Andrew Schreiber]

[expletive]

[barn34]

Well, 330, it was a hell of a ride this weekend, but it looks like we won't have a chance to team up again for quite a while. At least not at an official event, anyways. We kind of already acknowledged that a bit in St. Louis, but it still sucks to see it made official. You guys are awesome. Best of luck. We'll be rooting for you in Houston!

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by RoboChair

...those that do well get a Championship experience at the District level champs

Originally Posted by Basel A

I suggested exactly this to Don Bossi at MSC 2015. He didn't seem too keen on the idea. I think that was because FIRST has no involvement in planning district CMPs (and probably doesn't want to step on anybody's toes).

Originally Posted by AndrewPospeshil

I think this is the end goal - and it it's not, I think it should be. If more and more regions move to Districts (lets say, 85% of FRC teams), then FRC could operate much like the FTC Super Regional model, except DCMPs are the the Super Regionals. This way, all teams will get 1-3 small events (Districts/Qualifiers), one big event (DCMP/Super Regional*), and one (hopefully singular) Champs.

This is the approach I'd like to see as well. Someone earlier in the thread referenced an old slide from 2011 that included this vision of FRC (note that none of this was ever official in any way)


But District Champs aren't to that point yet either. Like Basel said, FIRST and their event management companies don't run district champs - it's all the local people. And I don't know of any DCMP that runs conferences and has all the flashy lights like CMP does. As far as international/regional teams go, I though this thread from last year was a great start on the problem. Maybe as more areas move to districts, FIRST's event planning people have some more bandwidth they can apply to running District Championships.

Of course, none of this is anywhere near official, but if someone asked me where I envisioned FRC in a few years, this is what I would tell them.

[Cothron Theiss]

I'm very confused as to why Tennessee is going to Houston and why Kentucky and Tennessee aren't going to the same place. The Smoky Mountains Regional is the TNKY Regional, because Kentucky and Tennessee don't have enough teams to support their own Regionals (yet). I'm really disappointed that they are planning on splitting a Regional practically in two. Also, Knoxville is closer to Detroit. If anyone has information on why Tennessee is going to Houston, I'd love to hear it.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss

I'm very confused as to why Tennessee is going to Houston and why Kentucky and Tennessee aren't going to the same place. The Smoky Mountains Regional is the TNKY Regional, because Kentucky and Tennessee don't have enough teams to support their own Regionals (yet). I'm really disappointed that they are planning on splitting a Regional practically in two. Also, Knoxville is closer to Detroit. If anyone has information on why Tennessee is going to Houston, I'd love to hear it.

Keep in mind that the concentration of teams is for the most part closer to Detroit than Houston however not everyone can go to the Championship that is closer to them.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by BrendanB

Keep in mind that the concentration of teams is for the most part closer to Detroit than Houston however not everyone can go to the Championship that is closer to them.

True. But the distance is not as much of a concern for me. I'm more wondering why they would split up a Regional in this way.

[Bob Steele]

All I really have to say is this looks quite like the old 400 team version of champs times two. To fit everyone in (including the FLL's and FTC) that probably means 100 team divisions.

So, if you thought a 600 team CMP with 75 team divisions was watered down and saw how your "random" assignment of 10 matches could affect your potential to rank high during the qualification matches, think again ... just add another 25 teams.... how do they get there? Are they from waitlist? Do they add some other type of qualifying position at Regionals? Do they go even deeper into the Districts?

I hope that the powers that be look quite hard at this issue next year when they figure out how teams get points for qualifications.

I will miss seeing all of our new and old friends from the East Coast and Canada.

Good luck to you all!!

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

Well the statistical odds of 2056 winning their next world championship just went WAAAAYYY up.

It will be just another (Super) Regional to add to their new streak...