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[BotDesigner]

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[swaxman12345]

What was the philosophy behind caster wheels over something like omniwheels? Wouldn't omniwheels be better for rotational friction reduction?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by swaxman12345

What was the philosophy behind caster wheels over something like omniwheels? Wouldn't omniwheels be better for rotational friction reduction?

Packaging, I'd say. Ball casters are very compact; omniwheels... finding anything smaller than 4" is very very difficult. And if space is critical, the less you use the better. I'd call space critical on this drivetrain.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by EricH

Packaging, I'd say. Ball casters are very compact; omniwheels... finding anything smaller than 4" is very very difficult. And if space is critical, the less you use the better. I'd call space critical on this drivetrain.

Agreed, but I don't see how this would avoid scrubbing on the higrip wheels while moving without using omnis.

[Hitchhiker 42]

Originally Posted by asid61

Agreed, but I don't see how this would avoid scrubbing on the higrip wheels while moving without using omnis.

There isn't any scrub. The wheels are in the middle of the ball vertically, so if one wheel spins, it rotates around the other. And if both are spinning to go diagonally, the axis of rotation lines up so both wheels have no scrub. I'm not sure, though, how it would work out if it wasn't a 45 degree diagonal, but rather something like a 60 or 30 degree diagonal.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42

There isn't any scrub.

Depends on what you mean by "scrub".

It looks like there are 2 traction wheels pressed against each basketball.

Consider the simple case where only one of those traction wheels is spinning.

There will be considerable pivoting friction between the ball and the other traction wheel. It may even bore a hole in the basketball.

[Lireal]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42

There isn't any scrub. The wheels are in the middle of the ball vertically, so if one wheel spins, it rotates around the other. And if both are spinning to go diagonally, the axis of rotation lines up so both wheels have no scrub. I'm not sure, though, how it would work out if it wasn't a 45 degree diagonal, but rather something like a 60 or 30 degree diagonal.

There axis of rotation of the ball would not line up with the wheels when both are spinning though. Here is a quick sketch of where it would be in relation to the wheels: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1...DOI4KIXro/edit

[PreztoElite]

Would you mind uploading CAD models of the drive?

[Hitchhiker 42]

Originally Posted by Lireal

There axis of rotation of the ball would not line up with the wheels when both are spinning though. Here is a quick sketch of where it would be in relation to the wheels: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1...DOI4KIXro/edit

Looking at the picture made it clearer. I was convinced that, at least with a diagonal of 45 degrees it'd be fine. However, it seems even that would be a problem. Omniwheels, like others suggested, might be the way to go.

[BotDesigner]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42

Looking at the picture made it clearer. I was convinced that, at least with a diagonal of 45 degrees it'd be fine. However, it seems even that would be a problem. Omniwheels, like others suggested, might be the way to go.

Grab a basketball and a small wheel (or any ball and a wheel with a smaller diameter than the ball). Try rotating the ball at an angle 45 to the wheel with the wheel perpendicular to the balls diameter.

As long as the balls rotation speed is sqrt(2)*(wheel-diameter)/(ball-diameter) times the wheels rotation speed the only "scrub" is 100% pivotal. I didn't believe this until I tried it since it is extremely hard to visualize.

I might change the traction wheels to omnis just because of the strong pivotal force.