WILL.I.AM's comment on Einstein

[mman1506]

Originally Posted by wireties

I understand that the comment was made in a unique moment and addressing a particular audience. Personally I do not think it was strictly necessary but NBD. One can reach students of any age without such language.

I have another query. Nobody says father-#$%^&(. Will.I.Am's modifier to the f-bomb could be interpreted as demeaning to women. Do any female students/teachers/sponsors feel that way?

Will was also careful to say "Palestine" and not "Israel". Should we start another thread?

TIA

He obviously didn't use the word as an insult so I wouldn't say his use was demeaning to woman.

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[Katie_UPS]

Originally Posted by wireties

Nobody says father-#$%^&(. Will.I.Am's modifier to the f-bomb could be interpreted as demeaning to women. Do any female students/teachers/sponsors feel that way?

I always found it interesting/frustrating the difference between "mom jokes" and "dad jokes."

At large, the language we use is problematic and can be casually sexist and is not cool/okay.

In my opinion and I definitely don't speak for others, Will's use of the word wasn't actively demeaning to women. The widespread use of the word reflects problematic attitudes towards women in our society and I'm in no way a fan of that... but the literal meaning of the phrase is pretty much lost and now it's just a decorative word.

Actual mothers might have a different opinion (and rightfully so), but the problem you bring up is a great conversation about how casual sexism pops up in our language - more of a cultural problem and less of an individual's.

[MooreteP]

Originally Posted by wireties

Will was also careful to say "Palestine" and not "Israel". Should we start another thread?

Where did you get this from?
2:32
He mentions BOTH Israel & Palestine.

Why are you trying to stir up this pot even more?

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

Where did you get this from?
2:32
He mentions BOTH Israel & Palestine.

Why are you trying to stir up this pot even more?

You can't prove that will.I.am isn't an anti-Semite.

You also can't prove that you're not the zodiac killer and/or Ted Cruz. Bake him away, toys!

[wireties]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

Where did you get this from?
2:32
He mentions BOTH Israel & Palestine.

Why are you trying to stir up this pot even more?

My apologies - when he used "Israel" I missed it. In the moment, the use of "Palestine" seemed a careful choice of words. Just wondering why...

[Kevin Ray]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Now, this isn't to say this should be a regular thing; it probably shouldn't be our forward facing catch phrase, we shouldn't be singing it to sponsors, making team chants about it, etc. It can't become a huge meme like water games or corndogs that every 14 year old parrots to their grandmother (and I'm sure it will get out of hand, unfortunately). I really understand the points people like Andy Grady have been making about the speech and I don't disagree with them. But I genuinely appreciated such a refreshingly honest moment from this man, and I'm glad he was able to convey his awe and inspiration sincerely.

+1 I think that his statement was one of, if not the most powerful statement I've heard off the cuff any where, any time. He was very obviously overwhelmed with emotion after mentioning that he had been to all of the other music awards and events--and this beats them all.

All that being said, I feel that Chris is me is 110% correct. It was only powerful in context at that moment in time. Tee shirting or bumper stickering the statement will be only a cheap excuse for a gratuitous foul language op. Constantly using the phrase because he said it, will diminish its value. I think that leaving it in the moment will give us powerful memories

One of our team members thought that a tee shirt would be cool. Yeah, those words taken completely out of context will have the same effect of walking naked through a church full of elderly people and expecting them to appreciate the beauty of the human form.

[The other Gabe]

my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

You must be new here. Congratulations on the new account!

[dirtbikerxz]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

I was thinking of sayin this.....

Originally Posted by CalTran

You must be new here. Congratulations on the new account!

But then i realized I would get that^^^^^^^^^^

[Hoover]

Would you keep your kids home from robotics because someone might say a bad word over the PA, or their stuff might get stolen (this really happened but getting infinitesimal attention compared to the former)

This thread is one of the most entertaining I've ever seen! Is it that you want to prolong children's innocence? If so you better not let them go to a build session or tour the pits. Cover their ears!

Finish the basement apartment and never let them get a job lest their boss might cuss at them, auuuugh.

[ATannahill]

I think that his actions have had an impact. I have noticed a larger amount of $@#$@#$@#$@#s on CD, along with the use of #TSIMFD and #TSINMFD. I think this is the kind of activity people have been wanting to avoid. That is how CD has changed, I imagine that in team communication or human interaction or other forms of communication the language has also devolved.

I agree with what many people have said, it is great that he had strong feelings and it might have been great that it was shown to the VIPs in attendance, but it was a use of inappropriate language. We need to restore ourselves to our normal decorum and remember this moment with fond memories. It should not set the standard on how we behave.

[3175leheh]

I agree wholeheartedly. It was definitely said with good intent, but it's hard to know how people will react or take something out of context when you say something, especially when on such a big platform as that.

[DonRotolo]

Everyone is an idiot. Including me.

There, I said something. Was it offensive? Yes, to some, no to others.
Some cool dude said something too.

The point is, we all have our way of communicating. Did you get the message that was being sent?

[TAlholm]

People are exposed to this language on a daily basis. (Then again, I do go to school in a city)

[dirtbikerxz]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Would you keep your kids home from robotics because someone might say a bad word over the PA, or their stuff might get stolen (this really happened but getting infinitesimal attention compared to the former)

This thread is one of the most entertaining I've ever seen! Is it that you want to prolong children's innocence? If so you better not let them go to a build session or tour the pits. Cover their ears!

HA, totally agree. Please don't let your kid who never heard any curse words tour the pits. It's not good influence for them.

And ya, it sucks that stuff gets stolen, one of our mentors lost an ipad a few years back. But honestly all I can say is, don't be stupid. Don't leave your stuff lying around un protected. There is nothing we can do to change the world and have no bad people....