Most Effective Robot EVER?

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

For those around in 2002 (or know the story) what happened to 71 at Western Michigan Regional? According the TBA, they were 6-5-2 and lost in the semifinals.

One of the teams (66 I think) figured out how to get Hammond turned sideways before they deployed their walker, and since they couldn't turn, they couldn't get realigned to win. But 71 fixed that for champs...

[Mitchell1714]

I'm going to go with the most effective robots from each of my years in FRC:

-254(2016) Instant aiming and near perfect shooting accuracy. Runner-ups: 5172 and 2481

-2826(2015) Their 28pt autonomous was nearly perfect, and a mechanical and programming marvel to pull off. They also scored the world high score at champs. Runner-ups: 1114, 148 and 254

-2481(2014) Not the Poofs!??! Yes, not the Poofs. This was Roboteers "breakout" robot. Having a fully independent swerve drive with a 270 degree intake, low center of gravity, excellent ball control and a consistent catapult made them a force on the field. They made shots while moving sideways. Runner-ups: 254 and 16

-2169(2013) They were a purpose built FCS that backed it up. King Tec had almost the highest release point possible for their Frisbee shooter and amazing shooting consistency. The only thing that could stop them was when they filled up the high goal. 44 Frisbees in the goal in Colorado finals 1-2.

-1717(2012) I thought this robot was fake the first time I saw it driving and shooting. Runner-ups: 67, 341, 2056 and 2826

-1114(2011) Every component on Simbot Steve is off the charts good, but Simbotics defining advantage was their quick, clean and consistent release of tubes. World high score at Waterloo. Runner-ups: 111, 254, 33 and 987

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Mitchell1714

I'm going to go with the most effective robots from each of my years in FRC:

-254(2016) Instant aiming and near perfect shooting accuracy. Runner-ups: 5172 and 2481

-2826(2015) Their 28pt autonomous was nearly perfect, and a mechanical and programming marvel to pull off. They also scored the world high score at champs. Runner-ups: 1114, 148 and 254

-2481(2014) Not the Poofs!??! Yes, not the Poofs. This was Roboteers "breakout" robot. Having a fully independent swerve drive with a 270 degree intake, low center of gravity, excellent ball control and a consistent catapult made them a force on the field. They made shots while moving sideways. Runner-ups: 254 and 16

-2169(2013) They were a purpose built FCS that backed it up. King Tec had almost the highest release point possible for their Frisbee shooter and amazing shooting consistency. The only thing that could stop them was when they filled up the high goal. 44 Frisbees in the goal in Colorado finals 1-2.

-1717(2012) I thought this robot was fake the first time I saw it driving and shooting. Runner-ups: 67, 341, 2056 and 2826

-1114(2011) Every component on Simbot Steve is off the charts good, but Simbotics defining advantage was their quick, clean and consistent release of tubes. World high score at Waterloo. Runner-ups: 111, 254, 33 and 987

2169 from 2013 is one of my favorite case studies in good strategic analysis. Brilliant design and executed to perfection, although I wouldn't define it as . 2014 you really can't argue for anyone but 254 or maybe 469, although I'm sure 2014 was a breakout year for 2481, it wasn't a "dominant machine" in the way that the previously mentioned teams were.

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

2169 from 2013 is one of my favorite case studies in good strategic analysis. Brilliant design and executed to perfection, although I wouldn't define it as . 2014 you really can't argue for anyone but 254 or maybe 469, although I'm sure 2014 was a breakout year for 2481, it wasn't a "dominant machine" in the way that the previously mentioned teams were.

Interestingly, by the time champs rolled around, 1425 was actually better than 2169 (I'm looking at OPR here, not at how far each team went, since 2169's alliance did beat 1425's).

of course, 118 beat out both of them on the OPR scale, so what does that tell you about Feeder shooter vs cycling

I'd argue for 469 or 987 in 2013, though I think the beauty of that game was that it was literally impossible to be a complete powerhouse (my team tried to do everything. we failed miserably )

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

Interestingly, by the time champs rolled around, 1425 was actually better than 2169 (I'm looking at OPR here, not at how far each team went, since 2169's alliance did beat 1425's).

of course, 118 beat out both of them on the OPR scale, so what does that tell you about Feeder shooter vs cycling

I'd argue for 469 or 987 in 2013, though I think the beauty of that game was that it was literally impossible to be a complete powerhouse (my team tried to do everything. we failed miserably )

I'd argue 2169 was better than 1425, although 1425 was excellent as well that year.

In 2013 I'd argue the best robot in the world was one of:

• 469
• 254
• 1114
• 2056
• 987
• 1986

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

I'd argue 2169 was better than 1425, although 1425 was excellent as well that year.

In 2013 I'd argue the best robot in the world was one of:

• 469
• 254
• 1114
• 2056
• 987

Gotta consider 67 too. Multi-position shooter with full court and cycle shots. 30pt climber with a 20pt dump. Could go under the pyramid. They were defendable, which is what ultimately led to their demise, but in terms of overall effectiveness, 67 needs to be considered.

However, I personally would pick 469.

[Kartoffee]

My opinion on no order:

71 in 2002, like a can grabber in 2015 but worse.
469 in 2010, we were actually allied at MSC and won. Literally a five minute drive to their school. (yes I know that's irrelevant)
254 in 2014, don't think much needs to be said here.
16 in 2014, just as a personal favorite.


On a separate note, some favorite rookies:

2834 in 2009 (not to brag or anything...)
5053 in 2014, good drivers meant so much for Aerial Assist.
4967 in 2014, same reason. Good drivers were crucial, regardless of shooting capabilities.
5980 in 2016, managed to get #5 seed at MSC, arguably the most competitive DC around, and even eliminated us in Octo-Finals.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

For those around in 2002 (or know the story) what happened to 71 at Western Michigan Regional? According the TBA, they were 6-5-2 and lost in the semifinals.

Their robot was not at all built for quals. You got 3x the losers score, so if Beatty had all 3 goals the highest losing score the opponent was going to get is 20 points (10 per robot in home zone at end of match).

If I remember correctly, a thrown ball got stuck under them before they could grab the goals and that lead to their loss in elims.

[jkelleyrtp]

I wasn't around back in 2011, but from the videos, 254 was one of the most dominant robots on the field. Perhaps it was the introduction of their motion profiling, but the way 254 played in the Einstein finals just dominated every other robot on the field.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by Cory

Their robot was not at all built for quals. You got 3x the losers score, so if Beatty had all 3 goals the highest losing score the opponent was going to get is 20 points (10 per robot in home zone at end of match).

If I remember correctly, a thrown ball got stuck under them before they could grab the goals and that lead to their loss in elims.

Right. There were many matches where Beatty intentionally didn't control all three goals in an effort to help increase the losers score.

[pmangels17]

I would probably have to say that the 71 machine in 2002 was the best I've ever heard of, BUT, it was from a different era of FIRST. In the modern era, my few favorite machines are, in no particular order:

1717 in 2012: The robot was just absolutely magical. Nobody swerves like 1717, and their drivers manually targeted shots faster and better than most teams that used vision. (Also I am ridiculously sad that we didn't get to see what 1717 would've cooked up for Stronghold).

341 in 2012: A super simple machine, and indisputably, fantastically effective at playing every aspect of the game.

469 in 2010: The closest thing since 2002 Hammond that we've had to a game-breaking robot. And their genius was that it wasn't ridiculously complex, just bold and perfectly executed.

67 in 2013: I just really love it. 30 pt climb, dump, full court shot, cycle: that robot had it all.

[jwfoss]

Most effective at the game or most effective at their chosen task in a given year. I enjoy looking at robots that are the absolute best at what they choose to do. For that reason I have to give a hat tip to FRC148 and FRC102 for their lap runner robots in 2008 and FRC1503 for thier human load only robot in 2011.

If we are talking overall; I'll fall in line with a number of other posters; FRC71 2002, FRC1114 2008, FRC 254 2014.

[Knufire]

To insert a robot into this conversation that hasn't been mentioned yet, CD 2000.

[Edxu]

Every year in the preseason, we talk about a chokehold strategy, and every year, we show video of Team 71 2002. Easily the most effectively executed strategy/robot in FRC.

However, that's far before my time, so I'm going to go ahead with 2169 King Tec and their monstrous FCS in 2013. Their shooter only took ~2 shots to dial in perfectly, and unless you threw up a 7' blocker in front of them, you could only watch as discs piled into their opponent's goal. Given maybe 10 extra seconds in teleop and playing undefended, I'm sure that they could shoot all 45 discs into the opponent's goal, a stat that no other team can challenge.

1114 in 2015 is a close second IMO, they built stacks from the landfill or the HP station (RAMP RAMP RAMP) like no other team could, and they had a very effective cangrabber at CMP as well.

[BenHildy]

The poll is going up soon, and I'm very honored to be on one of the teams mentioned so far. Thank you guys from all of 2169 KING TeC! I'm sorry for any robots that didn't get mentioned in the poll, your opinions are still very important! I merely included the ones that have been mentioned the most as the most effective.