Wisconsin District Rankings

[EricLeifermann]

Below you will find the rankings for all the teams who competed in FRC this year from Wisconsin.

I used the district point ranking system as outlined in section 7 of the admin manual. (Any points ties were not broken as laid out in the manual they were broken by what ever excel did internally when I sorted by Total points.)

For any team who only competed in 1 competition I just doubled their points from their 1 competition. This doesn't really give a true point value but its the easiest to do at this juncture.

If i missed any team from Wisconsin who competed this year please let me know and I will add them.

Rank Team Total
1 5903 106
2 5855 102
3 1675 101
4 2826 96
5 2194 94
6 4021 92
7 1306 90
8 6166 90
9 706 88
10 2062 80
11 5826 74
12 2202 69
13 3197 67
14 171 63
15 1732 60
16 537 59
17 930 59
18 1714 57
19 1259 55
20 3418 52
21 4054 52
22 5976 52
23 93 45
24 5586 41
25 4531 40
26 4786 40
27 2506 37
28 3596 30
29 5148 30
30 269 29
31 2077 29
32 6223 26
33 4011 24
34 2143 22
35 5096 22
36 2830 20
37 3381 20
38 5019 20
39 1091 19
40 5595 19
41 5003 18
42 1716 16
43 3692 15
44 5552 15
45 4657 14
46 1792 12
47 4804 12
48 4247 11

This is being posted to help facilitate talk of moving Wisconsin to districts. Also there has been some talk of instituting a ~35ish team state championship similar to what Minnesota does and these rankings would be used to invite teams.

[Moskowapplepi]

interesting that if wisconsin was on the district model 2826 would have gone to worlds (with robot)

[Technologyman00]

Hey that is my Team!

[Ernst]

Wisconsin teams who made it to Champs this year, with their district points rankings, were:

5855 2
1675 3
2194 5
1306 7
6166 8
2202 12
1732 15
537  16
5976 22

Wisconsin sent 9 teams to Champs this year, which is proportional to the number of spots that would have been allocated to a Wisconsin District ((48 WI teams / 3130 total teams) * 600 CMP spots = 9.2 spots). If that proportion stays the same, we'd get 12 spots at the St. Louis halfchamps next year.

I included a map of the current team distribution below. The Milwaukee metro has 25 teams. I think a good distribution of events could be one in Milwaukee, one in Appleton, and another in La Crosse. That would give the vast majority of teams that aren't completely isolated a "home" event within driving distance. 3 events would give a max of 120 event plays, leaving up to 24 spots open for local teams to have 3rd plays or to welcome back teams from Indiana or Michigan.

[EricLeifermann]

Of the 9 that went to champs this year 3 qualified outside of Wisconsin and 1 was from the waitlist.

So Wisconsin really only sent 5 teams to champs this year which is 1 less than we can currently send each year in the regional model.

[rich2202]

Teams near MN may choose to do regionals there (Minneapolis, Duluth), and not join the WI District.

What about creating a WI/Northern IL District?

Teams near Lacross and Appleton/Greenbay could still do 2 districts (with the 2nd in Milwaukee). Teams in Milwaukee could go south for a 3rd or more districts.

What happens if Teams in One District play in another? Michigan has a District event in Escanaba. Teams from GB may want to go there.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by rich2202

Teams near MN may choose to do regionals there (Minneapolis, Duluth), and not join the WI District.

What about creating a WI/Northern IL District?

Teams near Lacross and Appleton/Greenbay could still do 2 districts (with the 2nd in Milwaukee). Teams in Milwaukee could go south for a 3rd or more districts.

What happens if Teams in One District play in another? Michigan has a District event in Escanaba. Teams from GB may want to go there.

When regions go to a district ALL teams in that region have to play in the district.

There have been talks in the past about doing a multi state region, but the trend is moving away from that. Being a single state district makes more sense when you are talking to companies about sponsorship, all money stays in Wiscosin and you can tout being the Wiscosin State Champion.

Teams in districts are free to pay and play in other districts or regionals. Points are not accumulated for playing in another district(for now) or a traditional regional.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by Ernst

3 events would give a max of 140 event plays, leaving up to 24 spots open for local teams to have 3rd plays or to welcome back teams from Indiana or Michigan.

Shouldn't that be 120 event plays (40 * 3 = 120)? (I agree with the 24 as 120 - 48 * 2 = 24)

If Wisconsin went to districts and an Appleton area event were a different week than Escanaba and Sault Ste. Marie, 857 might consider playing there.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by Christopher149

Shouldn't that be 120 event plays (40 * 3 = 120)? (I agree with the 24 as 120 - 48 * 2 = 24)

If Wisconsin went to districts and an Appleton area event were a different week than Escanaba and Sault Ste. Marie, 857 might consider playing there.

Yup, I just mistyped 120. Fixed.


So part of the goal of this thread is to discuss the transition to Districts. Does anyone know how much work has been done to reach that goal or if anyone from the Wisconsin Regional planning committee is on board? From one of the many Minnesota threads, the process is roughly:

1. Start a company (WI FIRST?)
2. Find people to run it
3. Get permission from FIRST
4. Raise money; buy a field; rent a building for storage
5. Start planning events

Luckily we would only be jumping from 1 official event to 4 or 5. Between all the big old teams in the state who run FLL and VEX events, RoboFest, and the Week 0 events, volunteers shouldn't be a problem.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

When regions go to a district ALL teams in that region have to play in the district.

Makes it tough on teams that are on the WI side of Minneapolis and Duluth.

Maybe we just have to define the district carefully to exclude the NW corner of the State.

I can see playing in another regional. You have the chance of advancing.

What's the point in playing in another district if you don't get points? I guess if that District is week 1, then you get some practice before your Districts matches that count.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by rich2202

Makes it tough on teams that are on the WI side of Minneapolis and Duluth.

Maybe we just have to define the district carefully to exclude the NW corner of the State.

I can see playing in another regional. You have the chance of advancing.

What's the point in playing in another district if you don't get points? I guess if that District is week 1, then you get some practice before your Districts matches that count.

Lately the trend looks like it's toward Districts being full states (Indiana, Georgia, North Carolina), or several smaller states mixed together. It would be nice to allow some teams to opt out, but based on what happened with teams in the rural Pacific Northwest and MI's Upper Peninsula, that might not be allowed. Maybe a good goal would be, if Districts come to WI for the 2018 or 2019 season, to start enough new teams out west for either a Madison or Eau Claire event.

And yeah, a big goal of attending a 3rd District event that doesn't count could be for practice. You could also give a rookie drive team a shot, give younger members more time in the pits, and get to play with different teams.

[the_godfaubel]

Any movement to bring an event to Madison? When I'm at school, I don't get to help out as much as I'd like. Bringing an event to Madison (Alliant Energy Center or possibly Kohl Center) would be great. It also might give those teams on the west side of the state a nicer journey for their second event.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by the_godfaubel

Any movement to bring an event to Madison? When I'm at school, I don't get to help out as much as I'd like. Bringing an event to Madison (Alliant Energy Center or possibly Kohl Center) would be great. It also might give those teams on the west side of the state a nicer journey for their second event.

Google Maps tells me that Appleton is about 40 minutes closer to the west side (near Minneapolis/St. Paul) than Madison is. Eau Claire->Appleton / Madison is about equal time. La Crosse to Madison is about 40 minutes less than to Appleton.

Interesting mixed bag of travel times.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by the_godfaubel

Any movement to bring an event to Madison? When I'm at school, I don't get to help out as much as I'd like. Bringing an event to Madison (Alliant Energy Center or possibly Kohl Center) would be great. It also might give those teams on the west side of the state a nicer journey for their second event.

I think it would be great to eventually have an event in Madison. Right now, though, it doesn't look like there are enough teams in the area to justify it. That seems crazy considering that 850,000 people live in the Madison metro and it's home to the best engineering program in the state. An event there would only realistically be day-trippable for 3 or 4 teams, though. We don't have enough teams overall to justify a 4th event, and I don't think Madison makes more sense than either La Crosse or Appleton.

If the Madison CSA had the same team density as the Milwaukee CSA, they would have 10 teams. If they had the same team density as the La Crosse metro, they would have 38!

[Nebster]

Speaking from the team in Madison (1306), there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in FRC. My team has members from almost every Madison area school and even schools as far as 45 minutes away from our education center and we still only have around 30 students. FLL is very popular in Madison but there needs to be more continuation from FLL to FRC, which is something we are trying to implement.

Back on topic, I feel like a Lacrosse regional would be better suited because there is a higher density of teams there and it is closer to the Twin Cities than Madison is.