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Re: Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

I found it odd that they decided to replay the match after they announced the score. Seems like if the head referee is going to call a field fault, they should do so before approving the final score.

BTW - On Galileo qual match 19 the live score stayed at 0 the entire match and there was not a field fault called.
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Re: Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

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I found it odd that they decided to replay the match after they announced the score. Seems like if the head referee is going to call a field fault, they should do so before approving the final score.
In many / most matches this year, the final score is posted before teams have a chance to contest the situation at hand. Oftentimes, the fact that the score has been posted is then used as rationale for not correcting the situation at hand. Fortunately that is not the case with this replay.
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Re: Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

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During the Iowa Regional, the sound to announce the beginning of Teleop was not played during a match my team participated in, but the match was not replayed. Just food for thought.
Again, this was more than just one sound not being played. I can understand frustration about inconsistency, but for those spectating in person (I have no idea what the stream looked like), it was clear that something happened to more than just the field.
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During the Iowa Regional, the sound to announce the beginning of Teleop was not played during a match my team participated in, but the match was not replayed. Just food for thought.
Also, all 3 blue robots ended up disconnected with seemingly no attempt by the FTAs to get them back up.
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Re: Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

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I found it odd that they decided to replay the match after they announced the score. Seems like if the head referee is going to call a field fault, they should do so before approving the final score.

BTW - On Galileo qual match 19 the live score stayed at 0 the entire match and there was not a field fault called.
We're the game sounds on when the score was at 0? The reason why the match was replayed was because there were no game sounds, not because of the scoreboard.
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We're the game sounds on when the score was at 0? The reason why the match was replayed was because there were no game sounds, not because of the scoreboard.
Do we know the scoreboard wasn't a factor, or is that speculation?
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Re: Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

Several years ago there was a specific rule that the score had to be shown on the screen or it was a field failure (or whatever they called it).

That rule is long gone. The question becomes whether the absence of a rule means it should no longer be considered.

Something to remember for ref training next year.
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Do we know the scoreboard wasn't a factor, or is that speculation?
This is what I came to understand when I was talking to our alliance members in the pit (we were part of the alliance - just not on the field): The initial concern was the scoreboard because that was the most obvious, but I believe the refs used the game sounds as a reason for the replay.
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This is what I came to understand when I was talking to our alliance members in the pit (we were part of the alliance - just not on the field): The initial concern was the scoreboard because that was the most obvious, but I believe the refs used the game sounds as a reason for the replay.
Incorrect.
I would suggest getting information directly from the field crew.
It was announced and my kids had talked to the FTA's and Head Ref about the replay several times during the day since it affected our specific alliance.
It was due to the scoreboard, the sounds were not a factor.
The scoreboard makes teams change match strategies, the sound is just there to help.
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