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Re: Could alliance picks go this way

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What would happen if everyone at a tournament declined a pick from the number one seed? It would never happen because people outside the top 8 would want to make sure they play in playoffs but if all the teams decline then no alliances can be formed. Who would qualify for worlds? No one?
I saw a comment on CD that at a 24 or 25 team event this year (I believe it was a NC district, I don't remember what event) that the first seed alliance would go with only two robots if that was the case. Extrapolating (which to some people is a bad word) that logic, there would be 8 single robot robot alliances since every team declined before the second seed was able to make their first pick.
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Re: Could alliance picks go this way

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I saw a comment on CD that at a 24 or 25 team event this year (I believe it was a NC district, I don't remember what event) that the first seed alliance would go with only two robots if that was the case. Extrapolating (which to some people is a bad word) that logic, there would be 8 single robot robot alliances since every team declined before the second seed was able to make their first pick.
I was actually there, it was the UNC Asheville District. There were 24 teams present. At the team representative meeting, the head ref said the rules indicated that if a team for some reason could not play eliminations, the #1 seed would play with 2 robots instead of the usual 3, and that there would be no backup robots. Thankfully, all 24 teams were available to play, and I actually enjoyed watching Elims, but the logic above seems to be what would happen. 1 broken bot = no captures for the rest of the event for that alliance. (Even if only 2 bots are formally on the alliance, 2 < 3.)

In the end, though, this is purely theoretical. No reasonable team below 15th position would decline an invitation to an alliance should they want to play in elims, as fun as theorizing about such a situation would be.
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Re: Could alliance picks go this way

I remember a situation where the #2 seed was "lucky" during qualifications to be on strong alliances.

I can envision where #2 selected #3-#8, and they all declined. #3 then goes to team NNNN, who accepts (otherwise they are out of the playoffs). Let's say that #3 also wanted NNNN. #3 could select NNNN (NNNN had not yet declined), and NNNN would rather play with #3 because #2 is not so good.

Finding loopholes in the rules is not against "gracious professionalism". GP is fiercely competing while treating others with "respect and kindness". NNNN going to the #3 alliance is "fierce competition". It is no more "disrespectful" or "unkind" to Seed #2 than Seeds #3-#8 declining, and what team XXXX feels when they are not selected by anyone.
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Re: Could alliance picks go this way

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I remember a situation where the #2 seed was "lucky" during qualifications to be on strong alliances.

I can envision where #2 selected #3-#8, and they all declined. #3 then goes to team NNNN, who accepts (otherwise they are out of the playoffs). Let's say that #3 also wanted NNNN. #3 could select NNNN (NNNN had not yet declined), and NNNN would rather play with #3 because #2 is not so good.

Finding loopholes in the rules is not against "gracious professionalism". GP is fiercely competing while treating others with "respect and kindness". NNNN going to the #3 alliance is "fierce competition". It is no more "disrespectful" or "unkind" to Seed #2 than Seeds #3-#8 declining, and what team XXXX feels when they are not selected by anyone.
But such a system would necessitate having a 4th or even 5th round of picks, and it would effectively allow the #1 seed to get seeds #2 and 3 on their team, which would make for a very one-sided (albeit exciting) eliminations rounds.
Which leads to an interesting example: let's take your example a step further and make #1 choose #3 as well as their first pick. Who is now captain of the #3 alliance if #3 accepts? Is it the #4 seed or team NNNN?
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But such a system would necessitate having a 4th or even 5th round of picks, and it would effectively allow the #1 seed to get seeds #2 and 3 on their team, which would make for a very one-sided (albeit exciting) eliminations rounds.
Which leads to an interesting example: let's take your example a step further and make #1 choose #3 as well as their first pick. Who is now captain of the #3 alliance if #3 accepts? Is it the #4 seed or team NNNN?
How does this effect district points? NNNN would get the same amount either way but would the second pick of the #3 alliance go from 3 points to 14 points?
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