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Re: F4 - Connect (The new way to get help)
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"Currently our group is students only and we want to keep it that way. Its not that mentors experience is not wanted it just happens to be that we are a student only community." That makes sense to me. Mentor experience is wanted in general, but not in F4. That doesn't mean that F4 wants to cut out mentors, it just means that it recognizes there are some things students may not want to talk about with their mentors, just as there are some things mentors do not want to talk about with students. |
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![]() Trust the mentors that have been posting on this thread. One thing that mentors will always have over high school students is that we've all been there. We get it. Some of us made good choices, others made bad choices, and we've seen where they have led us. We've made our mistakes and have learned from them, and are now giving our advice to help you. High school is an important time of your life when really you should just be focusing on you. The social aspect of high school is just as important as the school work side of it. You''ll have plenty of time to mentor others once you graduate. But for now, don't bite off more than you can chew. Do your homework, prepare for college, enjoy your time with your family. And don't forget to get outside and have some fun. There's so much more to life than FRC. I like it the idea, really. It's a good concept on paper but I'm afraid the execution won't be as easy as it sounds. Leave the mentoring to the mentors. Last edited by Hallry : 02-06-2016 at 16:45. |
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So much yes. |
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These are good points about the pros and cons of "mini-mentors". Given the issues that might arise from this (the least of which being experience) I agree that maybe it's not the right fit for Connect, but we'll bring it up for discussion.
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2. I completely agree that it would be hard and that is why I am merely suggesting it as opposed to doing it myself (and I won't be a student next year). While the details and execution definitely need some refining, overall I think this is more of an under-served area of help than general technical questions and is one where people don't have to be experts to make a meaningful contribution to the community, making it an interesting and useful thing for students to do. |
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Sometimes students that aggressively push for student only just want to be the smartest guy in the room for ego reasons. No idea if that's the case here or not. |
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There seems to be an agreement in F4 right now about making sure we're "conservative" with how we help people, by putting students in contact with mentors on CD or advising them on where they can receive more detailed help. I think that would aid in alleviating a lot of worries we've seen in this thread, thoughts? |
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In our discussions, we have equal, level-headed discussions about various things. It is not a defined thing about someone being better than anyone else, but rather that we can all discuss the robots we love (and other things as well) with our peers.
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Firstly, I am not associated with F4 in any manner. Also, I intend none of the following as a direct attack on any poster.
That being said, I am disappointed by some of the responses in this thread. F4, from my understanding from previous posts and their web series, is a specifically student run group. Adult mentors do advise, but the group is intentionally student run. As to respond to some points made in this thread: It is not my impression that any member of F4 or the wider FRC community is attempting to usurp CD as the go to place for technical information. Further, I would expect those answering on Connect to reference CD or suggest it for more in depth discussion. I remember what it was like to first post here on CD. I remember what it was like to get my first dots (they were red). Chief Delphi attempts to remain an open community but nonetheless it is difficult to post on when you are new and I still find it difficult to approach mentors who I know have vast experience for fear of appearing dumb or ignorant. In addition, we all know of threads that have gotten out of control and had to be locked, and seeing these threads only increases previously stated anxieties. Whether you judge it to be just, there are times when students only feel comfortable talking to other students. Finally, any criticisms of students directly (not of F4 as a whole, but targeted towards specific students), comments suggesting negative aspects to an individual's decisions or actions, or comments suggesting that students are incompetent should be kept in a private message. No student will feel comfortable coming to a mentor for advice if the mentor tells them they are incompetent. |
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What if a student is incompetent? By definition, don't nearly all students start out as incompetent? Students should strive to reach the point of maturity where such feedback can be received without internalizing it as a direct attack. This is a hard part about growing up obviously, and takes time (certainly took me some time!). |
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I won't bother reading the entire argument, but I feel like the concept of "don't like it, don't use it" applies pretty well here.
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Seems like a groovy idea. IIRC, things along the same lines have been proposed in the past.
I'm sure at times it could be easier to use F4 Connect rather than tunneling through the depths of Chief or starting a new thread. I wouldn't be surprised if people have avoided asking questions on Chief in the past out of worry that they'd start a classic CD mosh pit, like the one on this thread and many others before it; or that they'd get some sort of abrasive comment about how all they've done is rehashed a previously discussed topic of question (rather than getting legitimate answers) and should have looked harder before making the thread- both of which I have seen. Or maybe Connect could be easier and faster for a student who doesn't have time to or wish to spend time going on Chief to ask a question and to see if their question has been answer. It's been established that it's not a novice group of students that are answering. Students can provide helpful and knowledgeable answers to other students. That said, I would be interested to know the percentage of correct answers to incorrect, as well as question-to-answer time length, because that's really what's important if you want to compare and contrast it heavily to Chief Delphi's resources. When it comes to the safety of the students, I would like to see some of the more personal ways of contact taken off the list of ways to receive answers. Things like a CD PM or email are much more safe and professional medias than phone and texting. Chief is and always will be the best place for FIRST info and discussions, but at the end of the day, F4 could be helpful too and made to work practically. To me, the only thing about Chief Delphi that it could threaten is the egos. It's still in beta and is still very new, I'd hate to see it get shot down so quickly. Last edited by Aidan Cox : 02-06-2016 at 18:27. |
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Four years is double the lifecycle of a lot of technical knowledge, particularly with bleeding-edge programming. (not related to F4 or this initiative, of which I too am curious to see the results) |
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