F4 - Connect (The new way to get help)

[dirtbikerxz]

Originally Posted by smitikshah

students to get their ideas and opinions emphasized (which often aren't).

I have to disagree. While I have been in situations before (very few regarding my team) where I wish that I was taken more seriously, 90+ percent of the time what I say matters. Its like BKAHL said. You have to MAKE your voice heard by earning respect and proving yourself. By saying that the only way to get students voices emphasized is by creating a group where there are only students, is like (in a extreme way) saying that the only way to end world hunger, is to kill everyone in the world (again, I know this example is much more extreme, just the first thing that came to mind).

[pwnageNick]

I know this isn't really related to the current topic, but I was just curious; what is the origin of the name "F4"? I hadn't seen the backstory anywhere and couldn't find anything upon a quick CD search.

[dirtbikerxz]

Originally Posted by pwnageNick

I know this isn't really related to the current topic, but I was just curious; what is the origin of the name "F4"? I hadn't seen the backstory anywhere and couldn't find anything upon a quick CD search.

As said by SPERKOWSKY (Samuel) in this video: LINK It is what you want it to be

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by pwnageNick

I know this isn't really related to the current topic, but I was just curious; what is the origin of the name "F4"? I hadn't seen the backstory anywhere and couldn't find anything upon a quick CD search.

To be honest. I struggled to come up with a name. I was thinking of names and some how F4 came into my head. We have tried to make something up but failed. So F4 has no meaning.

[Akash Rastogi]

I think everyone is taking this too seriously.

While I disagree with the sentiment behind the site, it's a little odd so many of you feel so strongly about it.

Let them be, whichever kid wants to use it will use it.

I still think they should reach out to mentors on CD, email, facebook, fax, AIM, or what have you. If you're a student and you're too scared or shy to do this - suck it up and just do it; learn how to contact people who you look up to. This is a life skill. I did it all the time when I started out.

[smitikshah]

Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz

I have to disagree. While I have been in situations before (very few regarding my team) where I wish that I was taken more seriously, 90+ percent of the time what I say matters. Its like BKAHL said. You have to MAKE your voice heard by earning respect and proving yourself. By saying that the only way to get students voices emphasized is by creating a group where there are only students, is like (in a extreme way) saying that the only way to end world hunger, is to kill everyone in the world (again, I know this example is much more extreme, just the first thing that came to mind).

I agree that example is extreme - and I don't know how it would even apply. By having a group of students giving out their opinion and making it its own entity, we can attract attention to it, therefore increasing the seriousness of students views. In your example you simply get rid of the problem - the point here is (like I said before) not to get rid of mentors or their ideas/opinions - simply to attract some attention to student views. Also we never said "the only way to get students voices emphasized is by creating a group where there are only students." We are simply offering one solution. Use it or not, it's your call. Either way this doesn't belong here and should probably go on one of the threads about the founding of F4 since it has a lot to do with the principles of its foundation - not connect.

Also, I'm happy to hear that what you say matters 90% of the time. This isn't the case in some scenarios (many of the founders of F4 Connect agreed). Even if we could help one person I would consider F4 Connect a success in my head.

[dirtbikerxz]

Originally Posted by smitikshah

Either way this doesn't belong here and should probably go on one of the threads about the founding of F4 since it has a lot to do with the principles of its foundation - not connect.

Also, I'm happy to hear that what you say matters 90% of the time. This isn't the case in some scenarios (many of the founders of F4 Connect agreed). Even if we could help one person I would consider F4 Connect a success in my head.

That's true, and like I said before I understand why connect is being done, I just don't like the potential bad outcomes.

Don't get me wrong, I love what you guys are doing, and taking the time and effort to do something for the community, its truly amazing, and I hope at some point in the future I might be able to help. For now, I can only warn against possible bad outcomes where students get bad advice from other students.

[smitikshah]

Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz

]For now, I can only warn against possible bad outcomes where students get bad advice from other students.

Thank you - and you (as others) have valid points in warning against it. We are currently working to incorporate some of these ideas and fixing probable bad outcomes. I agree it's not perfect but it's in its first draft. I'm sure with some time it will be better and more refined.