[FRC Blog] Radio Silence

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by tjf

Pretty sure that'd conflict with R31, as the only exception I've seen is a device that needs a battery to function and will not without it, eg. a smartphone used for vision (like 254).

Otherwise, I'd have stuck a capacitor on the radio to make sure it stays on in the event of a brown-out.

If FIRST is working with someone to spec a radio, I'm sure they would allow themselves to write rules that made it legal.

[tjf]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

If FIRST is working with someone to spec a radio, I'm sure they would allow themselves to write rules that made it legal.

From what I understand, the problem isn't the hardware, but the firmware on the device allowing the user to change the frequency outside of FCC regulation. For FRC to specifically request OpenMesh build an integrated and mandatory power backup would be complicated and costly. (imho)

The main problem, for me at least, is that the radio takes 90 seconds to boot... If they're working together on a custom FRC firmware why not make one that just boots faster and disabled unneeded features?

EDIT: Approximately 90 seconds, numbers were based on a match I watched and wasn't exactly counting with a timer. Take with a grain of salt.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by tjf

The main problem, for me at least, is that the radio takes 90 seconds to boot... If they're working together on a custom FRC firmware why not make one that just boots faster and disabled unneeded features?

I don't think I ever saw one take more than 60 seconds. 45-50 seconds was more typical. The rest of the delay some people are noticing is from the Driver Station sometimes taking upwards of 20 seconds to establish communication once the network connection is there. That appears to be a Windows networking thing.


It's my understanding that the bulk of the OM5-AP bootup time is in loading and initializing the built-in web server interface to the device settings. If that were removed from the firmware package, it could probably boot in less than 30 seconds. It would also take away a lot of flexibility for teams to tweak their network setup.

Given a couple of years with the same radio, I expect that the bootup time could be drastically slashed while providing teams with the appropriate tools to configure the device. That's probably not going to happen this year, though.

[Thad House]

One thing I wonder is that if when you configure the radio for field use, maybe the web dash could be disabled. There's no way anyway into the radio after it's been programmed without resetting it, so in competition mode that most likely would not be an issue. Especially as the firmware programmer and team flasher would work anyway without the dashboard.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

I hope the new radios get a back up power supply.

Originally Posted by tjf

Pretty sure that'd conflict with R31, as the only exception I've seen is a device that needs a battery to function and will not without it, eg. a smartphone used for vision (like 254).

Otherwise, I'd have stuck a capacitor on the radio to make sure it stays on in the event of a brown-out.

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

If FIRST is working with someone to spec a radio, I'm sure they would allow themselves to write rules that made it legal.

Last year's R31 exception to the main battery read:

Additionally, batteries integral to and part of a COTS computing device or self-contained camera are also permitted (e.g. laptop batteries, GoPro style camera, etc.), provided they’re only used to power the COTS computing device and any peripheral COTS USB input devices connected to the COTS computing device and they are securely fastened to the ROBOT.

So, even with the same rule, a battery integral to the radio in its COTS state would have been legal. All they'd have to do is not disqualify it in a blue box or Q&A by deciding that the radio was something other than a computing device.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Last year's R31 exception to the main battery read:


So, even with the same rule, a battery integral to the radio in its COTS state would have been legal. All they'd have to do is not disqualify it in a blue box or Q&A by deciding that the radio was something other than a computing device.

Or we could just go with the fact that R31 currently does not exist for the 2017 season and does not matter in this discussion...

[marshall]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

Or we could just go with the fact that R31 currently does not exist for the 2017 season and does not matter in this discussion...

Are you saying "change is coming"?

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by marshall

Are you saying "change is coming"?

[PayneTrain]

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PayneTrain again.

Well done sir.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

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[marshall]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

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this one

definitiely this one

probably this one since he is 18 harassment is ok

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[bkahl]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

imo i think you are just bad at giving out rep might i suggest arbitrary negative rep towards the following accounts:

this one

definitiely this one

probably this one since he is 18 harassment is ok

You definitely forgot a few, but this is a start!

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

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[mrmummert]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

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