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Re: NY Districts - POA

I figured if we are going to necro I figured I'd post what I know.

To start there is Most likely going to be 4 regionals in NY next year.
Sbpli, NYC, tvr, flr, and the Hudson Valley Regional. That's 31.7 teams per regional if a team would only do a single regional and NY regionals only had ny teams.

My estimate is NY would need about 10 district events plus dcmp. I'd also say you need about double the volunteers for a regional but about the same amount of qualified volunteers (refs, inspectors, fta, ftaa, Csas, ect).

So yes even 4 regionals doesnt simulate the right number of volunteers. But as I've seen district board members post before. When the volunteer spots are open volunteers come.

Also I can very much verify NY is going districts in a few years. But other then that I couldn't shake much other information out of the regional coordinators.
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FTFY. Maybe let's let folks who have actually been to/run districts share their experiences and not post garbage?
Is there a better way you could have said this or do you want CD to have the reputation of not being the most welcoming place? If I'm a student or newer mentor and I see posters with a lot of green dots, calling posts "garbage", I'd think twice before posting and joining the community.
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To start there is Most likely going to be 4 regionals in NY next year.
Sbpli, NYC, tvr, flr, and the Hudson Valley Regional. That's 31.7 teams per regional if a team would only do a single regional and NY regionals only had ny teams.
Do you mean 4 or 5? (SPBLI, NYC, TVR, FLR, and HVR make 5)

The rest of your numbers make sense - the difficult part is location distribution.
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Do you mean 4 or 5? (SPBLI, NYC, TVR, FLR, and HVR make 5)

The rest of your numbers make sense - the difficult part is location distribution.
I am great at counting.

It's 30 teams per event also... man I Need some sleep.
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Probably. There's also a better way to spend time on the FIRST web learning about things instead of just vomiting opinions poorly disguised as facts on to the internet repeatedly. It's a quandary.

On the topic of the thread, I had heard that New York was losing the Javits Center. Could that be a short term impetus for 5 regionals and a long term shift to districts?
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Probably. There's also a better way to spend time on the FIRST web learning about things instead of just vomiting opinions poorly disguised as facts on to the internet repeatedly. It's a quandary.

On the topic of the thread, I had heard that New York was losing the Javits Center. Could that be a short term impetus for 5 regionals and a long term shift to districts?
Where did you hear that? If we lost the javits center it would be due to lack of funding for NYC first. We actually only fill 1 hall. There are about 8 more halls that the event could be hosted in 4 others of similar size. It's never even close to fully booked during the regional so I doubt this. I believe I'll see Patricia tomorrow so I'll ask her.
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If we lost the javits center it would be due to lack of funding for NYC first.
I could think of a few other reasons.
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I could think of a few other reasons.
Is there some districts in NY 2017 thing I don't know about?

Otherwise I don't see any other reason. And if it wasnt lost funding there are a few other smaller venues that would work just fine.
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Re: NY Districts - POA

When I semi-necro'ed this, I didn't mean to devolve it into a vitriol-filled thread. (We have plenty of others for that already, thank you. )

For those teams potentially affected by this change, I think we know it's coming, "soon(tm)". Whether it be next year (I think unlikely in the extreme), or something along the timeline of Duke Nuke'em Forever, who's to say?

For now I'm looking at this as a long term planning and budgeting item. (Eg as we enter our second year do we look at a 2nd regional now, where would we go, what kind of cost are we looking at, etc.) Having an idea of the team geographic distribution is helpful to us to make educated guesses about locations of future district events, and help in long-term financial planning.
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So much this.
Let's do a deal:

You guys stop telling everybody else that they need to go to districts ASAP, and we'll let you guys share your experiences. As tired as you guys are of hearing folks not in districts say how districts should be run, WE'RE tired of hearing how we should be in districts! We're working on it, but FIRST didn't reach 3K teams in 2 years!



And, if you'd be so kind as to actually do some basic math as to man-hours required so we can see just how badly off GeeTwo was, rather than simply dismissing his post as "garbage", while you're at it? Or should I do that for you?

Spoiler for My assumptions and numbers:

I get, for a regional, 1x 12-hour day, 2x 10-hour days, and 1x 8-hour day (give-or-take a few hours on any given day, and not in that order). 8-hour day is setup/load-in--noon to 8PM is typical. 12-hour day is practice--that one goes away at districts--could be a couple hours longer. The 10-hour days are the two competition days. At districts, those two go longer--I want to say that I've heard 12-hour days, but I'm not entirely sure. And while you're at it, bear in mind that a 60-team event is going to need a few more volunteers than a 40-team event, primarily in crowd control and inspection. I want to say that regionals run a total volunteer staff of 80-100 people, as I recall hearing that number tossed around before, but I can't say for sure--and not all of them are there the whole time.

So, for a regional... 40 hours over 4 days, and if you assume that the 8-hour setup day is held down by 10 people (HAH!) and the rest are run by 60 at any given time, you've got 80+60*32=2000 man-hours over 4 days, easily, probably closer to 3000 for a large regional. Using a similar line for districts under the assumptions above, and on the smaller end of volunteer corps strength, I get more like 1500 man-hours over 3 days.


For anybody who doesn't want to read the spoiler, I can see why the district folks are upset (the assumption was off by a factor of two if my assumptions are anywhere close to correct). But you can be civil while you're upset--please do so.



Back towards the main topic... I'm not from NY, haven't heard any rumors. But if a big regional loses its home, that is going to hurt. But... it'll help the district situation by forcibly identifying possible sites, so it's not all bad (I hope). We're looking at that situation out here, too.
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Let's do a deal:

You guys stop telling everybody else that they need to go to districts ASAP, and we'll let you guys share your experiences. As tired as you guys are of hearing folks not in districts say how districts should be run, WE'RE tired of hearing how we should be in districts! We're working on it, but FIRST didn't reach 3K teams in 2 years!

Cut for length
+1

I hate to be that person who just comments +1 but I honestly really have no clue how to better respond to this.
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To start there is Most likely going to be 4 regionals in NY next year.
Sbpli, NYC, tvr, flr, and the Hudson Valley Regional.
Has it been confirmed that there will be a new regional next year? If there is, has it been established where it would be?

A Hudson Valley Regional somewhere on the Hudson would be advantageous for a lot of teams in both the NYC and capital areas. For capital region teams such as 2791, the nearest second regional that has any realistic chance of having openings on the second round of registration is 3.5 hours away (FLR). Another regional would give us a considerably closer event and also make it easier for downstate teams to find a second play.
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