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[Scott Kozutsky]

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[Jay O'Donnell]

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's holding the CIMs in place?

[Greg Woelki]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's holding the CIMs in place?

Friction. It appears to be a clamping design (look at the standoffs).

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Greg Woelki

Friction. It appears to be a clamping design (look at the standoffs).

That's what I assumed. Is this actually a design that teams use? I don't know if I could ever trust it.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

That's what I assumed. Is this actually a design that teams use? I don't know if I could ever trust it.

I think I remember a team using it at champs last year, but I don't recall which one. They had a few different revisions of swerve drives. The CIM was in a swerve drive module and had one end clamped in place.
I would feel safer if the CIM was clamped on the front and back endcaps instead of the black body, but as a concept I think it can work.

[Joey Milia]

Yeah I would be worried about CIM diameter tolerances and the effect they would have on the gear mesh. Clamping on the aluminum ends might work but the rubberized black body is probably too variable.

[Greg Woelki]

Originally Posted by Joey Milia

Yeah I would be worried about CIM diameter tolerances and the effect they would have on the gear mesh. Clamping on the aluminum ends might work but the rubberized black body is probably too variable.

Rubberized?

[Scott Kozutsky]

Originally Posted by Greg Woelki

Rubberized?

The casing probably isn't adequately concentric with the shaft so the gear spacing could be pretty significantly off. That said, peoples get away with 10-32 screws in loose fit holes for gear spacing on drive gearboxes (when they don't use the flange for more precise centering). It might take a little finicking but I think it's certainly doable to use a clamp like this. As I understand it, gears can handle pretty significant misalignment if they aren't expected to run for very long.

[Greg Woelki]

Originally Posted by Scott Kozutsky

The casing probably isn't adequately concentric with the shaft so the gear spacing could be pretty significantly off. That said, peoples get away with 10-32 screws in loose fit holes for gear spacing on drive gearboxes (when they don't use the flange for more precise centering). It might take a little finicking but I think it's certainly doable to use a clamp like this. As I understand it, gears can handle pretty significant misalignment if they aren't expected to run for very long.

I agree with everything you are saying, I'm just confused by the term "rubberized."

[Joey Milia]

Originally Posted by Greg Woelki

Rubberized?

I believe the black portion of the CIM is steel with a black rubber coating on the outside, thus my use of rubberized.

The problem isn't the lack of concentricity, the outer casing isn't spinning so it doesn't matter. What does matter is the very loose tolerance (only max is stated, not an actual tolerance) on the outside diameter that you're clamping onto. If you assume nominal is 2.5" and max is +36 thou thats quite a large tolerance. However if you were to measure all of your cims and find them all to be the same then you could probably get away with it and be fine.

EDIT: ok concentricity kind of matters but becomes kind of irrelevant once you clamp the motor down. And lack of it could even be used to adjust the center distance to correct it.

[DaveL]

This is a great design!
I like that its compact, has a lot of power and uses a wide base of support.

Like others have said, mounting the CIMs to their faced plate is the tried and accepted way to go, but I like the way you are thinking.

I am a little surprised you went with omni wheels. My guess is that they won't have the friction to transfer the power of the CIMs during high acceleration. Changing to a tread wheel would fix that. If you are short on resources, build one module and mount it up front. Then independently power the non-steering rear wheels. That would be one fun trike. For more fun, add omni wheels to the rear so you can slide your turns.

[Chris is me]

I don't really see the benefit of clamping the CIM versus just face mounting it to the outer plate with a clearance hole on the inner plate. It's a little more compact I guess.

Clamp mounting the CIMs is something that does work, but I've never done it where the clamping action is used to hold a gear mesh together. In 2013 my old team mounted CIMs to a Frisbee shooter by clamping on the outside and it held all season, but there were no gearboxes to worry about.

[JamesCH95]

Are we all ignoring the fact that this is a swerve drive with omni wheels?

Might I ask the obvious question: why swerve with omni wheels?

[Chris is me]

Another thing - I don't really like the lightening pattern on the gear. The spokes don't do a ton for the gear's strength, and a spoked lightening pattern like that requires milling whereas a no-spoke lightening pattern could potentially be turned.

If you are going to do a spoked lightening pattern, at least make it six spokes and have the spokes align with the hex points. That way the additional material is behind the stress risers and not just in random places.

In either case, I would leave a bit more material around the hex (maybe .875 diameter?). The material left around the gear teeth should be fine. If the thin part of the gear is at least .15 thick or so you should be fine. These are "gut numbers" not backed up by real math or engineering, just experience, so take them with a grain of salt.

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by Joey Milia

I believe the black portion of the CIM is steel with a black rubber coating on the outside, thus my use of rubberized.

The problem isn't the lack of concentricity, the outer casing isn't spinning so it doesn't matter. What does matter is the very loose tolerance (only max is stated, not an actual tolerance) on the outside diameter that you're clamping onto. If you assume nominal is 2.5" and max is +36 thou thats quite a large tolerance. However if you were to measure all of your cims and find them all to be the same then you could probably get away with it and be fine.

EDIT: ok concentricity kind of matters but becomes kind of irrelevant once you clamp the motor down. And lack of it could even be used to adjust the center distance to correct it.

The CIM sleeve is just black gloss powdercoat, there are rubber seals between the sleeve and the endcaps.

-Aren