North Championship vs South Championship

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by lynca

The unbalance between the North/South waitlists is striking.
A couple ways to balance the waitlists.

• Send Chesapeake to South Championship
• Allow North teams to apply for waitlist spots to the South
  

That's literally double the travel distance for CHS teams.

It would be better to send more of the international teams to Houston. Or locations like Nebraska that have similar drive times to both.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

That's literally double the travel distance for CHS teams.

It would be better to send more of the international teams to Houston. Or locations like Nebraska that have similar drive times to both.

Somehow I don't think switching the Championship location of the 0 teams in Nebraska is going to make much difference.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Somehow I don't think switching the Championship location of the 0 teams in Nebraska is going to make much difference.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Somehow I don't think switching the Championship location of the 0 teams in Nebraska is going to make much difference.

I thought he meant we were holding Champs in Omaha!

[bobbysq]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Somehow I don't think switching the Championship location of the 0 teams in Nebraska is going to make much difference.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/5906

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by bobbysq

https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/5906

Was wondering how long this would take. I looked up 2015 numbers and saw 0 (FIRST's new website doesn't make it easy to filter by state). I later discovered there was a 2016 rookie. My bad.

[Kevin Kolodziej]

One way to fix the qualifying space issue is to reduce the number of teams that qualify. I'm not suggesting don't qualify Rookies or EI or Chairman's. I'm suggesting going back to 2v2. Or 2v2v2.

With 2v2, you will see fewer matches at a given event, however, at district events, the increased time between matches may be welcome (but I'll be on the opposite side where 60 team regionals will be LUCKY to get 8 matches). Could make sense if the current indication is only 50 teams in a division though...

But with 2v2v2, you get the best of both worlds. Still have 6 teams on a field a time, so you don't see any change to the current schedules or expectations of match numbers. But you only qualify 2(3) instead of 3(4) teams from an event. Then you only need 6 divisions of 75 and Einstein is some sort of weird round-robin type tournament where everyone plays everyone. But then we need #3Champs. Nevermind

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Was wondering how long this would take. I looked up 2015 numbers and saw 0 (FIRST's new website doesn't make it easy to filter by state). I later discovered there was a 2016 rookie. My bad.

I dunno--that single team could swing the balance of N/S quality...

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

That's literally double the travel distance for CHS teams.

It would be better to send more of the international teams to Houston. Or locations like Nebraska that have similar drive times to both.

In practice - almost all of the international teams are going to attend Houston. The only international regions zoned north have tiny populations to make it appear that international teams were divided evenly.

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by scottandme

In practice - almost all of the international teams are going to attend Houston. The only international regions zoned north have tiny populations to make it appear that international teams were divided evenly.

This is definitely true. I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 FRC teams from outside North America at NSR.

-Mike

[Drakxii]

So... What happens when Minnesota switches over to districts? Currently they only having 24 champion slots from their regional, but at 208 teams they would need 29 more slots*. So either some region is going to have to move to the south or north will have to be 420 teams and last years winners with no waitlist.



*At the 25.6% listed in the original post Minnesota would send 53 teams.

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

So... What happens when Minnesota switches over to districts? Currently they only having 24 champion slots from their regional, but at 208 teams they would need 29 more slots*. So either some region is going to have to move to the south or north will have to be 420 teams and last years winners with no waitlist.



*At the 25.6% listed in the original post Minnesota would send 53 teams.

The original post is just for next year, assignments will change slightly when the NSR moves to Detroit.

Also, (as stated in the original post) FIRST is going to have to change how they determine the number of teams that get sent by a district region. Right now they are over capacity if a handful of northern teams win southern regionals. (Actually, I forgot about Legacy teams in the original post, so they are already over 400).

And finally, I don't see Minnesota moving to districts in the foreseeable future (5+ years). FIRST wants all DCMPs to be week 6, meaning that Minnesota will need three fields and way more key volunteers to fit in the schedule. Too many threads have been derailed by Minnesota District discussion, so if someone wants to continue this conversation please make a new thread for it.

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

I don't recall seeing an announcement concerning the number of teams which will be invited to attend the Championship events in 2017.

What is the source of the 400 teams per event?

Good catch, I could have sworn I saw the 400 number somewhere, but I cannot find it now. If they keep FTC in the separate dome they could fit more than 400 teams at the NSR. (I don't think they've ever done more than 100 team divisions though).

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

The original post is just for next year, assignments will change slightly when the NSR moves to Detroit.

Also, (as stated in the original post) FIRST is going to have to change how they determine the number of teams that get sent by a district region. Right now they are over capacity if a handful of northern teams win southern regionals. (Actually, I forgot about Legacy teams in the original post, so they are already over 400).

And finally, I don't see Minnesota moving to districts in the foreseeable future (5+ years). FIRST wants all DCMPs to be week 6, meaning that Minnesota will need three fields and way more key volunteers to fit in the schedule. Too many threads have been derailed by Minnesota District discussion, so if someone wants to continue this conversation please make a new thread for it.





Good catch, I could have sworn I saw the 400 number somewhere, but I cannot find it now. If they keep FTC in the separate dome they could fit more than 400 teams at the NSR. (I don't think they've ever done more than 100 team divisions though).

400

[Chak]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

400

Well, the website you linked actually says

up to 400 FRC teams

But since we're talking about >400 teams here, it hardly matters.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Chak

Well, the website you linked actually says

But since we're talking about >400 teams here, it hardly matters.

I read that as "We will attempt to get 400 teams there but it may be 398-399 depending on the last minute invites."