North Championship vs South Championship

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

I don't recall seeing an announcement concerning the number of teams which will be invited to attend the Championship events in 2017.

What is the source of the 400 teams per event?

The May 5, 2015 announcement states, "The details for Waitlist slots, along with the number of earned slots assigned to each FRC District, each FTC Super Regional event and countries outside the U.S., and each FLL and FLLJr. region and Partner are still being worked out."

Why don't we just send everyone?

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

WE ALL GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

So... What happens when Minnesota switches over to districts? Currently they only having 24 champion slots from their regional, but at 208 teams they would need 29 more slots*. So either some region is going to have to move to the south or north will have to be 420 teams and last years winners with no waitlist.



*At the 25.6% listed in the original post Minnesota would send 53 teams.

The original post is just for next year, assignments will change slightly when the NSR moves to Detroit.

Also, (as stated in the original post) FIRST is going to have to change how they determine the number of teams that get sent by a district region. Right now they are over capacity if a handful of northern teams win southern regionals. (Actually, I forgot about Legacy teams in the original post, so they are already over 400).

And finally, I don't see Minnesota moving to districts in the foreseeable future (5+ years). FIRST wants all DCMPs to be week 6, meaning that Minnesota will need three fields and way more key volunteers to fit in the schedule. Too many threads have been derailed by Minnesota District discussion, so if someone wants to continue this conversation please make a new thread for it.

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

I don't recall seeing an announcement concerning the number of teams which will be invited to attend the Championship events in 2017.

What is the source of the 400 teams per event?

Good catch, I could have sworn I saw the 400 number somewhere, but I cannot find it now. If they keep FTC in the separate dome they could fit more than 400 teams at the NSR. (I don't think they've ever done more than 100 team divisions though).

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by bkahl

Why don't we just send everyone?

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

WE ALL GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

Bringing the Championship philosophy back to how it was in the 90s is certainly one way of making Championship great again.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

The original post is just for next year, assignments will change slightly when the NSR moves to Detroit.

Also, (as stated in the original post) FIRST is going to have to change how they determine the number of teams that get sent by a district region. Right now they are over capacity if a handful of northern teams win southern regionals. (Actually, I forgot about Legacy teams in the original post, so they are already over 400).

And finally, I don't see Minnesota moving to districts in the foreseeable future (5+ years). FIRST wants all DCMPs to be week 6, meaning that Minnesota will need three fields and way more key volunteers to fit in the schedule. Too many threads have been derailed by Minnesota District discussion, so if someone wants to continue this conversation please make a new thread for it.





Good catch, I could have sworn I saw the 400 number somewhere, but I cannot find it now. If they keep FTC in the separate dome they could fit more than 400 teams at the NSR. (I don't think they've ever done more than 100 team divisions though).

400

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

So... What happens when Minnesota switches over to districts?

If you want insight into what is going to happen in the Year 3000, you can take it up with these guys.

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

Just looking at the map, if balancing was needed, I'd switch the following state/Provinces over to Houston:

NU, MB, ND, SD, NE, IA, MN.

Not a perfect plan, but then again, what is? My biggest fear is the Canadian teams affected would have a harder time finding a flight to Houston than Detroit.

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

If you want insight into what is going to happen in the Year 3000, you can take it up with these guys.

[Chak]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

400

Well, the website you linked actually says

up to 400 FRC teams

But since we're talking about >400 teams here, it hardly matters.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Billfred

Two topics that come to mind:

1) Has FIRST announced how district team ratios will be set in the new era? Will it be a percentage of all FIRST teams, or a percentage of all FIRST teams zoned for that event?

One way they can clean up the mess that's been made here is by freezing district merit-based qualification at their current numbers and turning over all new spots to the waitlist.

On the topic of moving Chesapeake to Houston; I'd probably prefer to go to Houston in 2018 after all of the likely glaring issues are solved and we are just left with lingering ones. Doesn't change the fact that I am having trouble going to sponsors and other stakeholders in our organization to justify that trip, or pretty much any trip that will end up costing $15k.

[Drakxii]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

And finally, I don't see Minnesota moving to districts in the foreseeable future (5+ years).

I would have said the same thing about Texas and Ontario a couple of weeks ago... but I won't dig too much into that issue. I just wanted to bring it up as it would be a large problem if it were to happen in the planned system.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Chak

Well, the website you linked actually says

But since we're talking about >400 teams here, it hardly matters.

I read that as "We will attempt to get 400 teams there but it may be 398-399 depending on the last minute invites."

[FarmerJohn]

Originally Posted by bkahl

Why don't we just send everyone?

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

YOU GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

WE ALL GET TO GO TO CHAMPS!

When everyone goes to championships, no one goes.

[Mark Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

Coming from a team that has been propelled by the "Competition" in FRC, and is assigned to SSR, this is very disheartening.

I knew it wasn't going to be good, but I didn't know the numbers would shake out to be this bad.

Don't worry, it will get more competitive when California goes dist....nevermind

[ctt956]

What they're doing now would be like the NFL having an AFC championship and an NFC championship with no Super Bowl.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by FarmerJohn

When everyone goes to championships, no one goes.

Up until 2002, basically everyone did go to Nationals (what we know now as Championship). For anyone interested in some decade+ old opinions on this change, this thread is worth perusing:
https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664
A copy of the actual letter sent out explaining the system can be found in this post:
https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...1&postcount=17

There was another change in eligibility again a couple years later (2004), which laid out the regional qualification method still used today (minus the wild card system). Also worth reading about:
https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=22322