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Re: California District Proposal

If CA goes to a district model, I know of one regional for sure that will be able to handle many of the international teams that attend CA Regionals. Many of the CA teams that attend our regional would likely not continue to do so, leaving many new spots open to join the numerous international teams we already serve. International flights to Las Vegas are in many cases less costly that those to California and other regions across the country and reasonably priced hotels are in abundance here.

Other Regionals that serve smaller/distant/low density FRC populations will likely be relied upon to also serve a growing international community as well...at least for the years to come. Our friends in China have formally submitted a bid for a Regional there next year and await a decision by FIRST HQ. Special thanks to 525 for getting things started with CUYRA there almost 3 years ago Teams like 3132, 4613 and other Australian teams have done a great job helping to establish an event there that serves that region of the globe and Israel has established a strong event. Expect more of these success stories as time goes on. As I have said before, I think FIRST realizes an assortment of event models will be needed to serve the mission of FIRST
and FIRST FRC resulting in a combination of Districts and Regionals around the globe.

Edit: Mia culpa...I forgot to mention the important role the Mexico Regional serves as well.
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Re: California District Proposal

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If CA goes to a district model, I know of one regional for sure that will be able to handle many of the international teams that attend CA Regionals. Many of the CA teams that attend our regional would likely not continue to do so, leaving many new spots open to join the numerous international teams we already serve. International flights to Las Vegas are in many cases less costly that those to California and other regions across the country and reasonably priced hotels are in abundance here.

Other Regionals that serve smaller/distant/low density FRC populations will likely be relied upon to also serve a growing international community as well...at least for the years to come. Our friends in China have formally submitted a bid for a Regional there next year and await a decision by FIRST HQ. Special thanks to 525 for getting things started with CUYRA there almost 3 years ago Teams like 3132, 4613 and other Australian teams have done a great job helping to establish an event there that serves that region of the globe and Israel has established a strong event. Expect more of these success stories as time goes on. As I have said before, I think FIRST realizes an assortment of event models will be needed to serve the mission of FIRST
and FIRST FRC resulting in a combination of Districts and Regionals around the globe.
Joe,

This is great to hear!

By my math, that puts non continental US/Canada Regionals at:

Hawaii
Mexico City
Australia
Israel
China (Hopefully!)

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Re: California District Proposal

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Joe,

This is great to hear!

By my math, that puts non continental US/Canada Regionals at:

Hawaii
Mexico City
Australia
Israel
China (Hopefully!)

-Mike
According to the FRC Wikipedia page, the non-US or Canada teams are:

Israel (62)
Mexico (53)
Australia (39)
China (36)
Turkey (20)
Brazil (6)
Netherlands (3)
Taiwan (3)
United Kingdom (3)
Chile (2)
Dominican Republic (2)
Japan (2)
Bosnia-Herzegovina (1)
Colombia (1)
Czech Republic (1)
Denmark (1)
Ecuador (1)
France (1)
Germany (1)
India (1)
Poland (1)
Singapore (1)
United Arab Emirates (1)

So lets pretend all of the US and Canada went to districts suddenly (so I don't have to account for team growth).
Completely ignoring the political/economical/many other factors and just focusing on geography and assuming teams from countries with Regionals go to that regional:

South American and Caribbean teams can go to Mexico
Taiwan, Japan, India, and Singapore can go to China
Israel goes to Districts (Based on geographical size and # of teams alone this seem feasible within a few years)
Bosnia-Herzegovina and the UAE attend a new regional in Turkey along with maybe Poland and the Czech Republic

This would leave 9-11 teams (depending on where Poland and Czech Republic go) all in Europe who don't have a regional. They could go to Turkey or that regional could go to somewhere in Europe that is more central to all of the teams. If Israel still holds a regional, then it probably makes sense to have the new regional in Europe. There could also just be 2 new regionals on the assumption that a lot of American teams would want to go to a European regional. Other than Europe, I think every international team is either as close or nearly as close to a regional as they are right now. It wouldn't be great and I have no idea how the international community will be able to adapt to growth and the potential transition of the large team population centers to Districts, but I think it is possible, at least right now, for the international teams to sustain their own events.

However, I do think it FIRST should come up with a way for teams in low density areas to at least compete in district events, if not qualify for Champs through them.
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Re: California District Proposal

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According to the FRC Wikipedia page, the non-US or Canada teams are:

Israel (62)
Mexico (53)
Australia (39)
China (36)
Turkey (20)
Brazil (6)
Netherlands (3)
Taiwan (3)
United Kingdom (3)
Chile (2)
Dominican Republic (2)
Japan (2)
Bosnia-Herzegovina (1)
Colombia (1)
Czech Republic (1)
Denmark (1)
Ecuador (1)
France (1)
Germany (1)
India (1)
Poland (1)
Singapore (1)
United Arab Emirates (1)

So lets pretend all of the US and Canada went to districts suddenly (so I don't have to account for team growth).
Completely ignoring the political/economical/many other factors and just focusing on geography and assuming teams from countries with Regionals go to that regional:

South American and Caribbean teams can go to Mexico
Taiwan, Japan, India, and Singapore can go to China
Israel goes to Districts (Based on geographical size and # of teams alone this seem feasible within a few years)
Bosnia-Herzegovina and the UAE attend a new regional in Turkey along with maybe Poland and the Czech Republic

This would leave 9-11 teams (depending on where Poland and Czech Republic go) all in Europe who don't have a regional. They could go to Turkey or that regional could go to somewhere in Europe that is more central to all of the teams. If Israel still holds a regional, then it probably makes sense to have the new regional in Europe. There could also just be 2 new regionals on the assumption that a lot of American teams would want to go to a European regional. Other than Europe, I think every international team is either as close or nearly as close to a regional as they are right now. It wouldn't be great and I have no idea how the international community will be able to adapt to growth and the potential transition of the large team population centers to Districts, but I think it is possible, at least right now, for the international teams to sustain their own events.

However, I do think it FIRST should come up with a way for teams in low density areas to at least compete in district events, if not qualify for Champs through them.
Yikes!
What with the geopolitical events of the last couple of years (and just this week!), assuming teams from various countries would or could go to another is a large assumption on our part. We go outside the continental US we've got to consider much, much bigger issues, having nothing to do with FRC.

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