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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

Global Warming?

Have you been keeping the batteries at a consistent temperature, like is the shop warmer than it was for the test the previous year etc.

Temperature greatly effects a SLA's capacity/output energy.

As temperature increases the capacity of the battery increases
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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

I can't really say (mostly because I don't know) if it was really any warmer. During the first couple of tests, they were in our shop and the most recent ones were on my workbench in my apartment. The shop was probably a bit colder, but trying to remember the room temperature 2 years ago...well...who knows?
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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

While we haven't kept sufficiently detailed records to clearly prove or disprove this, we do label our batteries with the year we procured them, and there is a definite trend downward as time passes. If you have a recipe that improves batteries for a year or two, please share - we'd love to see if we can incorporate it into our usage profiles!

Edit: That said, we have rarely used our batteries below 20C/68F, except in preparation for the 2014 competition (Aerial Assist), in which we practiced mostly in an outdoor parking lot.
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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

Although testing conditions will influence the results, the three curves are about identical until you get to the knee at 10.5 volts. Beyond that is somewhat unimportant. Odd but not a miracle.
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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

I've been really mostly concerned about dead cells, but the capacity thing confused me.

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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

A quick question:
Are you using the same chargers that you were using 2 years ago?

Here is a neat site that has a lot of articles on batteries, battery management and pros/cons vs. types:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/

Anecdotally, I have heard with specific types that there are different techniques you can do to increase a batteries capacity.
During the minibot effort in 2011, I heard many rumors of different tricks that would eek out slightly different performance curves. Slight changes to charging rates and voltages.

During my solarcar days, I remember hearing about a team doing controlled battery cycling using a specially designed oven to increase a batteries useable capacity. While controversial, I will say that particular team was able to run much longer in cloudy weather than all the other teams so I have to believe there was something to the effort they were doing.
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Re: Battery increasing in capacity over time?

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A quick question:
Are you using the same chargers that you were using 2 years ago?

Here is a neat site that has a lot of articles on batteries, battery management and pros/cons vs. types:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/

Anecdotally, I have heard with specific types that there are different techniques you can do to increase a batteries capacity.
During the minibot effort in 2011, I heard many rumors of different tricks that would eek out slightly different performance curves. Slight changes to charging rates and voltages.

During my solarcar days, I remember hearing about a team doing controlled battery cycling using a specially designed oven to increase a batteries useable capacity. While controversial, I will say that particular team was able to run much longer in cloudy weather than all the other teams so I have to believe there was something to the effort they were doing.
Yes, all batteries are charged with the Schumacher SC-600A chargers using the 2A setting prior to testing (though 6A is normally used at competition). There may have been various amounts of rest between charge and testing, but I wouldn't expect the capacity to change too much.
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