What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?

[jgerstein]

Originally Posted by GKrotkov

This won't exactly be news to the OP, but I'd like to throw 1257's hat into the ring for all those who don't know.

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*Well, heck, seeing as I'm not on 1257 I can't tell the entire story.

Thank you!

It's been an interesting journey for us. 1257 got off to a good start in 2004 (Rookie Inspiration and Chesapeake Quarterfinalist) and 2005 (Engineering Inspiration and NYC Semifinalist) before a difficult 2006 season that ended with the team being disbanded.

1257 returned in 2009, still in the same district but with no ties to the original team other than location. 2009 and 2010 were unremarkable enough that, without having been there, there isn't much to say. Those two years can best be described as "meh".

In 2011, I started mentoring, and didn't know enough to realize how much I didn't know. I got a crash course in FRC when we got to the NYC regional without a working robot. After I persuaded our lead mentor to accept help, half of 1626 showed up at our pit to help us. We would likely have never made it onto the field that year without their help.

2012 was unremarkable again. We weren't very good, but we weren't shockingly bad either. We had a robot, and it (usually) worked approximately how it was supposed to.

2013 was rock bottom for us. We were ranked near the bottom of MAR, and our low ranking was very much deserved. We focused only on competitive success and had none. We didn't work as a team, and griped about "mentor-built robots" and other perceived unfair advantages.

Our recovery from 2013 started with a few questions.
1. What advantages do other teams have over us?
2. Why do they have those advantages?
3. How do we get those advantages for ourselves?
In discussing the answers to these questions, we created a 4.9 year plan (because the 5 year plan led to too many comments about Stalin and the U.S.S.R.). A major part of that plan was the selection of a role model - another local team that my students wanted our team to resemble.

In 2014, we changed our focus. We still wanted competitive success (who doesn't?), but we stopped trying to jump straight to Einstein. Our goal this year was to play in every match we were scheduled for and to be picked for an alliance. We strove to be more deserving of the awards we envied other teams for winning instead of complaining that we never got them. When 1626 and 869 picked us in Clifton, it was a huge boost to our team. When we got to DCMP that year, we were so unprepared that scouting never even occurred to us until the end of the first day (at which point 1626's mentor stepped up yet again with advice).

2015 was about changing our team culture to a more positive one, continuing to build up our program overall, and learning to scout. We started documenting our work, we made an effort to build up an actual team, and we continued to recruit students from schools in our district beyond the two tech-focused magnet schools.

2016 has helped confirm that we're on a path that's working for us. We have a long way to go still, but the team now is unrecognizable as the team that our most recent graduates knew in their freshman year. We've continued to work towards achievable goals, although we try to make what's achievable a little higher each year. We've reconnected with our roots by getting in touch with alumni from the original team, and even have the father of one of the founding students as a mentor. In the past two years, we've made an effort to connect with other teams and we've worked to help other struggling teams to pay forward the help we've received over the years.

[tjf]

Originally Posted by GKrotkov

This won't exactly be news to the OP, but I'd like to throw 1257's hat into the ring for all those who don't know.

2016 Season:
- Captained the winning Mt. Olive District alliance.
- #1 seed and Finalist at Bridgewater-Raritan District
- Won MAR Champs.
- Archimedes Semifinalists (5 points from finalists)
- Qualified for IRI

2015 Season:
- Captain, quarterfinalist at Mt. Olive
- 2nd pick, finalist at North Brunswick
- Unselected at MAR Champs

Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story*: they had an interesting 2014 season, with the #2 seed at MARCMP and a win as a 2nd pick at Clifton. But for reference, they went unselected entirely in the 2013 season. I still argue that 1257's rise has been meteoric.

*Well, heck, seeing as I'm not on 1257 I can't tell the entire story.

Originally Posted by jgerstein

Thank you!

It's been an interesting journey for us. 1257 got off to a good start in 2004 (Rookie Inspiration and Chesapeake Quarterfinalist) and 2005 (Engineering Inspiration and NYC Semifinalist) before a difficult 2006 season that ended with the team being disbanded.

1257 returned in 2009, still in the same district but with no ties to the original team other than location. 2009 and 2010 were unremarkable enough that, without having been there, there isn't much to say. Those two years can best be described as "meh".

In 2011, I started mentoring, and didn't know enough to realize how much I didn't know. I got a crash course in FRC when we got to the NYC regional without a working robot. After I persuaded our lead mentor to accept help, half of 1626 showed up at our pit to help us. We would likely have never made it onto the field that year without their help.

2012 was unremarkable again. We weren't very good, but we weren't shockingly bad either. We had a robot, and it (usually) worked approximately how it was supposed to.

2013 was rock bottom for us. We were ranked near the bottom of MAR, and our low ranking was very much deserved. We focused only on competitive success and had none. We didn't work as a team, and griped about "mentor-built robots" and other perceived unfair advantages.

Our recovery from 2013 started with a few questions.
1. What advantages do other teams have over us?
2. Why do they have those advantages?
3. How do we get those advantages for ourselves?
In discussing the answers to these questions, we created a 4.9 year plan (because the 5 year plan led to too many comments about Stalin and the U.S.S.R.). A major part of that plan was the selection of a role model - another local team that my students wanted our team to resemble.

In 2014, we changed our focus. We still wanted competitive success (who doesn't?), but we stopped trying to jump straight to Einstein. Our goal this year was to play in every match we were scheduled for and to be picked for an alliance. We strove to be more deserving of the awards we envied other teams for winning instead of complaining that we never got them. When 1626 and 869 picked us in Clifton, it was a huge boost to our team. When we got to DCMP that year, we were so unprepared that scouting never even occurred to us until the end of the first day (at which point 1626's mentor stepped up yet again with advice).

2015 was about changing our team culture to a more positive one, continuing to build up our program overall, and learning to scout. We started documenting our work, we made an effort to build up an actual team, and we continued to recruit students from schools in our district beyond the two tech-focused magnet schools.

2016 has helped confirm that we're on a path that's working for us. We have a long way to go still, but the team now is unrecognizable as the team that our most recent graduates knew in their freshman year. We've continued to work towards achievable goals, although we try to make what's achievable a little higher each year. We've reconnected with our roots by getting in touch with alumni from the original team, and even have the father of one of the founding students as a mentor. In the past two years, we've made an effort to connect with other teams and we've worked to help other struggling teams to pay forward the help we've received over the years.

It is incredibly flattering to see one of the teams I love so much in here, thank you!

In addition to what Mrs. Gerstein said (1257's head mentor), I have to say just the culture of the team has changed dramatically. Though I only served for a single year, I knew people on the team for all 4 years of my high-school experience.

In 2013, they were dejected and some were angry, but by the end of 2015, they were driven, hard-working people. In 2016 I decided I was crazy enough to join them, and was floored at not how much they blamed others for their failures and shortcomings, as they never once did, but took every mistake as a stride forward. There was no such thing as a bad match, but rather a match where we learned to do better.

1257's rise didn't just change their reputation as a team, but the culture of their collective, and at least one student on the team, now becoming a mentor on another (Hi!).

Though this is all my two cents, I think that 2016 is the first year 1257 has moved beyond being a robotics team and became a "More Than Robotics" team. I am incredibly proud to be able to call myself a former member of Team 1257, and plan on staying involved in FRC & FIRST as long as possible.

[kristinweiss]

In 2015, 4188 went from dead last at Georgia Southern Classic to winning the Peachtree regional a few weeks later as the alliance captain.

[TheBoulderite]

2122 has built great robots in their history, but they've become a strong force in the West over the last two years. They've gone from being picked for alliances to captaining their alliance at two regionals, while being a finalist in the other two. Also, they've been captains in their division twice now, and became the first team from Idaho in history to reach the Einstein Field. They are a rising power and will be a force to be reckoned with next year.

Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned 4488. Shockwave had an average first year and a world class robot the next two years. Division finalists both times, DCMP finalists both times. They've become one of the best in a few short years.

[SoftwareBug2.0]

Originally Posted by TheBoulderite

2122 has built great robots in their history, but they've become a strong force in the West over the last two years. They've gone from being picked for alliances to captaining their alliance at two regionals, while being a finalist in the other two. Also, they've been captains in their division twice now, and became the first team from Idaho in history to reach the Einstein Field. They are a rising power and will be a force to be reckoned with next year.

Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned 4488. Shockwave had an average first year and a world class robot the next two years. Division finalists both times, DCMP finalists both times. They've become one of the best in a few short years.

I think it's hard calling either 2122 or 4488 most improved. They didn't exactly have slow starts.

2122 has never gone more than one year in a row without winning an event. And it's not because they started out being swept along as a lucky pick. They won a high rookie seed their first year and as early as their second year they were captaining alliances to victory.

It's similar with team 4488. What you call their "average first year" (2013) they were alliance captains at their first event ever and had a winning record at championships.

If you're looking for improvement, look to somebody like 4060 (SWAG). It wasn't so long ago that they went winless at an event (2013orpo) but are today playing in finals matches and holding their own at championships (7-3 in 2016 Hopper division).