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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
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In addition to what Mrs. Gerstein said (1257's head mentor), I have to say just the culture of the team has changed dramatically. Though I only served for a single year, I knew people on the team for all 4 years of my high-school experience. In 2013, they were dejected and some were angry, but by the end of 2015, they were driven, hard-working people. In 2016 I decided I was crazy enough to join them, and was floored at not how much they blamed others for their failures and shortcomings, as they never once did, but took every mistake as a stride forward. There was no such thing as a bad match, but rather a match where we learned to do better. 1257's rise didn't just change their reputation as a team, but the culture of their collective, and at least one student on the team, now becoming a mentor on another (Hi!). Though this is all my two cents, I think that 2016 is the first year 1257 has moved beyond being a robotics team and became a "More Than Robotics" team. I am incredibly proud to be able to call myself a former member of Team 1257, and plan on staying involved in FRC & FIRST as long as possible. Last edited by tjf : 18-07-2016 at 22:03. |
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
In 2015, 4188 went from dead last at Georgia Southern Classic to winning the Peachtree regional a few weeks later as the alliance captain.
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
I don't think there's any question 1678 gets the "most improved" award over the last 6 years or so.
If we're looking at the last 4 years, I would nominate 2338 and 2481. 2338 has gone from picking up our first and only regional win as the 23rd overall pick, to a 3-year Midwest finalist streak (as alliance captain or first pick every time), 3 champs appearances (out of 5 in our history), back-to-back Chairman's awards, an Einstein appearance, and 3 IRI appearances. I'd argue that 2481 didn't start out as low as we did, but they've put out world-class robots for three years now. They were always above average, but now they're WAY above average. 2481 is the most underrated team in the world. If we're looking at just this last season, I'd argue that team 3695, Foximus Prime, blew everyone out of the water. They went from being a team that struggled to field a robot, to having a gorgeous catapult shooter capable of 3-5 midfield shots per match, plus a vision-assisted high goal auto. They somehow didn't get picked at Midwest this year, to the detriment of the many alliances who could have benefited massively from their presence on the field. |
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
As a fun exercise (and cuz I had the data already in R and wanted to practice with dplyr) The list of teams that missed eliminations the prior year and then returned to finals in all of their events the next year (for unrelated reasons, I MAY have removed the win column and only have the level of competition they achieved) consists of 70 teams in the data set from 2007 to right before CMP 2016.
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I could have dumped the whole table sorted by improvements by year but it's rather long so I cut it to teams that made finals at all of their events the following year. Hence why 1058 isn't on here. |
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
My sincerest apologies. I was only basing my knowledge off of what I saw on footage. It's really cool to know you had so many auto modes and were able to get as far as you did using phennominal strategy.
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
Since this thread doesn't seem to have quite enough numbers yet, here are some more. The three sections are looking at four-year (2013-2016), six-year (2011-2016), and eight-year (2009-2016) timespans respectively. The "Max OPR Devs" (as they are labelled) are
(the team's max OPR of official competitions in that season - the mean OPR of that season's official competitions) / the standard deviation of OPRs in that season's official competitions The "Diff" is the difference between the average of the team's two most recent "Max OPR Devs" and the team's two least recent "Max OPR Devs" in the timespan. Only the top 100 teams by "Diff" in each timespan are shown. Please note that they are sorted in ascending order (from least to greatest). Four-Year Timespan: Code:
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321,1.41167565193,-0.28129904343,-0.649680020486,0.945853587103,0.946518652841 1058,1.41675605037,-0.0473688509222,0.198641876213,1.06376067337,1.92102445265 2881,1.42971399951,-0.580982735373,0.189141587301,1.26224889676,1.20533795419 548,1.43588356255,0.753395345173,1.435562881,3.35177230438,1.70895304689 1519,1.4434557668,2.48586431719,2.29245912808,4.0940647442,3.57117023467 1257,1.45614616524,-1.02985896327,0.68761779926,1.19357369198,1.37647747449 501,1.45997690899,-1.40307850639,0.144680585749,1.65816323786,0.00339265948681 1836,1.46730676948,0.0673861518064,-0.57618113835,0.677605948982,1.74821260343 2230,1.47271611442,-1.28396884997,-0.843009300172,-0.348512969502,1.16696704819 4213,1.48863514894,-0.322399633339,0.749560443349,1.82524403553,1.57918707236 2944,1.50116192507,-0.854232242418,-0.655161308418,1.12391572497,0.369014574328 3959,1.50269658884,-1.0833176149,0.667310505457,1.57083791462,1.01854815362 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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
I can see a lot of changes in the NC teams taking place so I will shout out a few that I have noticed the last 3-4 years.
587- My old team when I was a student has changed tremendously. This team has really started to be competitive and add more daring designs to their machines every year. From that tape measure climber in 2013 that actually worked to the 3D printed and modular constructions they used this year I am actually kind of jealous I moved away from Hillsborough at this point because I would love to see what they do next. 900- Speaking of what will they do next. This team has come up with several game breaking strategies in the last few years. 2014 death cycles, 2015 crossbow robots built in one day at champs, their designs lately have been highly impressive and their programming team is probably the best in the state flat out. If they had focused a bit more on their drive system this year they would have broken NC over their knee with that vision tracking turret shooter. Mr. Zebracorn, tear down this wall. 1533 - When I was told that this year was the first time they had grabbed a blue banner I was stunned. This team always makes the playoffs and they are always super competitive so I thought they had won several previously. Their designs are always super unique and this year that swank drive was insanely fun to watch. To top it all off, this year was no semi-finalist finish and go home for this team. They were a huge contender we had to have on our alliance at State Championships. 2642 - I have noticed that this team is getting steadily better and better from that regional win in 2012 forward. They make solid, fast, and very complimentary designs every year. If not for a stroke of bad battery luck in 2015 I am sure we would have clenched a regional win with them. 2655 - Starting in 2014 and probably one of the quickest turnarounds in NC, this team made an about face and became a serious contender for Chairman's and winners on the field. I don't know what they changed but it works well and their machines are strong. Now don't change a thing! 3506- My own team. I can say what I want about us good and bad because I have been with this team from the start. 2011 was a lucky miracle one trick pony rookie robot win and 2012 was rock bottom for us- our robot did nothing but balance that season. In 2013 we did average at best and 2014 was better but we really just did not perform as well as we wanted to. Our attitude was more similar to "Man, I hope we get picked!". We did get picked often enough but only to make semis and finals as a last pick with some odd complimentary robot that happened to fit a very specific strategy. What really turned us around and where I mark down that we have had one of the fastest flips in the state was in 2015 when we built a robot specifically to win in NC. We did not want to be picked. We wanted to be picking. We ranked decent in Georgia and 2nd seed in NC-our highest ever. Despite the stroke of bad luck mentioned above and losing in the QFs, we had worked hard enough to be presented the Chairman's Award. Losing with one of the best robots we had ever made and with one of the best teams in NC in the QFs was crushing for the team when we were stuck with the season being over for us. Winning Chairman's a couple of hours later probably sent every kid on our team into a roller coaster of emotion. We had finally turned over a new leaf from being another mediocre at best robotics team. It really set us up for 2016 where we seeded first at State Championships, brought our third Chairman's in a row, and a Woodie Flowers banner. 2015 changed our attitude for 2016 and we worked our tails off with the help of our other Charlotte area teams to make a difference in NC. I say this all to further indicate that we want to see others around us see our model, think about how to adopt it, and meet with the success we have discovered. We brought home 5 blue banners this season and proof that cooperating with teams prior to competition and during competition to elevate everyone competitively at the same time pays off immensely and we broadcast it because it works and we love it. Here you go other team - take our awesome design and beat us with it - it works for us. I see this from successful teams a lot in the videos the teams post. Hopefully the NC district will one day be as competitive as Michigan and Cali because of this model and I can share even better improvements. |
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Re: What teams have improved the most in the shortest amount of time?
Minnesota has had a number of teams that have risen quickly in a short matter of time (2175, 5172, 3130, 2503, etc).
However, one stands out to me time and time again. 2052, KnightKrawler from Irondale HS in New Brighton. Prior to 2012, 2052 had won a couple of team awards and made the elims in 2011 at the Lake Superior Regional. In 2012 things started to change as they made the Finals at Lake Superior and won the EE award. From then on they have been on a great run. Here is what they have accomplished since 2012 (from what I could mine from TBA and from my own memory): (1) Regional Chairmans Award This in a state where we have a LOT of great CA competition at our Regionals from inside and out! (1) Einstein Appearance (3) State Championships (most in MN) (1) MSHSL State Tournament - Runners-up (5) Regional Wins (5) Regional Finalist (2) Engineering Excellence (2) Innovation in Control (1) Gracious Professionalism (1) Industrial Design (1) Quality Award They are in a class of their own in Minnesota! |
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4607 went from being a robot with a blocker on that was picked for defense at the North Star Regional in 2013 and MN State Championship in 2013, to being ranked 2nd at the MN State Championship in 2014 and getting 2nd place that year because of their phenomenal truss shot robot. During this year, their robot was one of the most feared defenders out there capable of shutting down us, 359, 5172, etc. and their team also won their first ever chairman's award this season.. young teams winning RCA is rare and 4607 worked hard and did it this year which is impressive considering they went against 2169, 2826, 2194, etc in chairman's at that regional. They were even picked as a defender in the Carver division and were quarter-finalists which is impressive for such a young team. Last edited by jajabinx124 : 22-07-2016 at 00:32. |
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2122 has built great robots in their history, but they've become a strong force in the West over the last two years. They've gone from being picked for alliances to captaining their alliance at two regionals, while being a finalist in the other two. Also, they've been captains in their division twice now, and became the first team from Idaho in history to reach the Einstein Field. They are a rising power and will be a force to be reckoned with next year.
Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned 4488. Shockwave had an average first year and a world class robot the next two years. Division finalists both times, DCMP finalists both times. They've become one of the best in a few short years. |
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